Respectable compared to what?!! Some other dynojet that some other Evo X ran on sometime in the past month or so

The proper way to post a dyno sheet is with a baseline so the reader/viewer can see the gains from the same car on the same day.

 

+1

this reminds me of the vendor war a few week ago where one shop's dyno had a guy at 400hp and another shop near by was around 320hp.

the chart does show a clean line in regards to 0 smoothing so it appears to be a good tune but how much did he car really gain?

 

We provide alot of customers with the baseline where possible. Please look back in the archives we have been tuning these cars for quite some time.

Some of these cars come in modified, the intake system has been altered, exhaust, boost control etc.
You cannot run a car like that for baseline, you could damage the engine in one pull.
We have to make that determination, and sometimes during the atempt we will abort as the af is way out, or boost/knock readings.

I will state again, this is a dynojet, non adjustable dyno. I have tuned alot more 10s than you have I am sure, and I can tell you what they make typically on this particular dyno.

Now does it matter for all intents and purposes what he came in with? untuned with a mix of parts thrown on? Bottom line is, with the parts and the tune this is where he is.

A stock evo 10 with no parts and no tune isn't close to what he is making.

So what is the true baseline? A car with parts thrown on it in an ill state of tune that you just want to run on the dyno to show the effectiveness of the "tune"? Or is it more important to compare current state of tune to what the cars make typically stock?

So, to your original point about us having difficulty doing a baseline? We don't. But we cannot do it every single time.


Sean

 

You clearly have a lower level understanding of how this works.

Customer brings an evo 10 in, has larger injectors, different turbo, mas air pipe is different etc etc. Car will not even make a complete run.

How do you baseline said car? Are you going to just get in it and blast it as best you can with no adjustment to the ecu? Do you think that wise?

Again some of the cars are not in any state to go WOT after the parts are swapped, you have to be very carefull.

Sean

 

on topic of this thread....
you felt that the mods that were done to this car were so unsafe on a stock tune to run a baseline? I ask because an intake, exhaust and fmic from what i have read wouldn't lean the car out enough for how rich the stock tune is; but, if this is the case i have been miss-informed.

 

Intake pipe, exhaust, and FMIC can absolutely make a car too lean to run on the dyno. All depends on the combo.

I will look to see if we did a baseline on this car, for all I know it was done.

I will always attempt it where possible.

Sean

 

I can see this guys point about seeing a baseline but in the end you should trust that the guy you just handed your car to knows what he's doing. If you're that worried about numbers then you should find another tuner or tune it yourself. By the way, great numbers OP!

 

I guess you should tell AMS, Buschur, and every other top shop/tuner in the country that their customers numbers don't mean crap because they didn't show a baseline.

 

Please do no give me this condescending attitude. I have a lot of understanding how this works. I have tuned a lot of Evos and I am fully aware of how this works. I am not one to be BSed into silence.

This car was no where near the mods that you list in this post. This car could easily have handled a baseline.

Another customer of yours posted a dyno with similar mods to this car with a baseline. The car had a FMIC and did not affect anything. You had no problem running it with a FMIC, but you have a problem running this one with a FMIC. You ran a baseline even though the car hit 13:1 AFR on that run. It even had a previous tune on it.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...vey-today.html

Please explain why you did a baseline on that car, but not on this car given similar mods.

 

A customer pays a lot of money for an Ecutek tune. The least the tuner can do is provide the customer with a baseline so the customer knows how much gains the car made from baseline.

 

I don't have to do a baseline, sometimes I determine for whatever reason that it isn't something I want to do. Do you have a problem with me making that determination?

There is nothing to explain different car different circumstance.

Anyway that is the end of it for me, the customer is happy, I am happy with the results.

I am sorry that you are not happy with the results of someone elses car!!

Please don't take my attitude as condescending, that is not what it is.

Sean

 

Congrats., nice numbers

 

all I know is his car is twice as fast and feels so much better through all the gears

Ivey tuned my ix a few times and I was more than happy with his services...so it was an easy decision for macpsu to take his car there

 

i got tuned many many times with many many different cars before... Who the hell care a base line really?
I do care only the end product.
the Dyno is a tool for tune, thats all . Numbers are relative. I do think in thecold dry day vs hot humid my "base line" would be different. And this can be in the same week.
Does it matter in the tune? Hell no. If the car perform and reilable thats all matter.
Also i dont like my car to be tortured when its not tuned just ready for it

SO for me a base line is absolutely unimportant, period. Fact before most of the time i got road tune , so i dont even knew my hp numbers Who cares? Only the time you will run is important , does'n it?

Cheers Rob

 

Great post.

Not to mention the fact that there are so many baselines out there for stock cars that you can assume with a great amount of accuracy what a baseline car would make, yet the end result is all that matters when you are driving a car afterwards.

Who cares if the car made 240 or 260 to the wheels coming in, it left making XXXwhp and is a safe, reliable, smooothe curve.

Scorke