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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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CBRD Speed Factory Tune (7/24/09)



Well I just had the car tuned by Chad at CBRD. Everyone did a amazing job while working on the car. Really top notch. The car produced solid street numbers with crappy conditions (It was about to rain cats and dogs.) Thanks to Chad and team to solve all the issues we ran into. Car is running great.

Temp: 76F
Humidity: 40%
Elevation: 466 ft above sea level


Dyno: Mustang (low reading)

Street tune, 93 Octane, 26 PSI

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305 wtq
313 whp

Filter Value: 60

The numbers were much higher without the correction.

Chart coming soon.

The numbers are not from the highest reading we got during the tuning, but the most stable tune.

Things noticed:

evoDynamics MAC 3 Port needs a lot of duty cycle in the high RPM range to keep the taper down to a minimum almost a 95%. Something like a proDrive or Pierburg/GM might be a better choice, however it does have a quick response.

ETS 4" core, started to get a bit of heat soak after a few runs, not sure if the 5 hour drive to CBRD did not contribute to that fact, even after a cool down session before the tuning.

***Don't mess with the BOV, I had a FORGE RS BOV installed and it was causing a us to throw a p1241 "Torque Limit Limp Mode", while driving the car on the highway. Keep the stock valve. I will conduct furthur tests on the Forge RS, after I cleaned it and readjust the spring tension.***

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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Wow, those gains are serious! Congrats on your new car.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Looks good! I'm surprised to see the 4.0" heat soak, I think it may have a bit to do with the 5 hour driver to CBRD. Great Gains! I bet the vehicle feels like a whole new animal!
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ETS Michael
Looks good! I'm surprised to see the 4.0" heat soak, I think it may have a bit to do with the 5 hour driver to CBRD. Great Gains! I bet the vehicle feels like a whole new animal!
Yes, we weren't sure why the intake temp would raise after a few runs. Me and Chad thought it might have been a long drive that heat soaked everything and the 45 min cool down before tuning didn't leave the core as cool as possible, thus it had a higher starting temp when the tuning started and it took less heat to warm it up after about 10 plus runs.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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Dude those are great numbers. I bet their shop is AMAZING! We have almost the same exact parts so I'm looking forward to putting down some similar numbers. Glad to see everything went smooth. Bummer about the Forge. Keep us updated
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Yes, the tune, the shop, and the crew are amazing for sure. Most of the cars Chad tunes put down similar numbers to each other. The CBRD dyno is really one of the lowest reading out there. So take it with a grain of salt what number means. If the conditions would have been better temp and humidity those numbers would have been higher.

I also got to ride the torque less monster (3076R), what a POS made by Garrett.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Clipse3GT
Yes, the tune, the shop, and the crew are amazing for sure. Most of the cars Chad tunes put down similar numbers to each other. The CBRD dyno is really one of the lowest reading out there. So take it with a grain of salt what number means. If the conditions would have been better temp and humidity those numbers would have been higher.

I also got to ride the torque less monster (3076R), what a POS made by Garrett.
Chart looks good!

But to counter your 3076 comment, it did put down about 60whp more than your car with less mods. There's also the option of the smaller 3071 if you want more low-end torque.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 09:24 PM
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The chart compares your car to the "shop car" Evo X. How do we know that this shop car puts the same power as your car?

A proper comparison involves baselining your car, tuning it and see the gains.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
The chart compares your car to the "shop car" Evo X. How do we know that this shop car puts the same power as your car?

A proper comparison involves baselining your car, tuning it and see the gains.
Eh.... it's close enough. Theoritically speaking, all stock cars should dyno within some relatively small margin.

Regardless, you can still see the shape of the curves.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
Eh.... it's close enough. Theoritically speaking, all stock cars should dyno within some relatively small margin.

Regardless, you can still see the shape of the curves.
The base car did not have the same mods as his car. I would like to see how much power the car gained from the tune OR from the parts w/o the tune. This process does not allow us to know how much power was gained from the parts and how much power was gained from the tune.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
Chart looks good!

But to counter your 3076 comment, it did put down about 60whp more than your car with less mods. There's also the option of the smaller 3071 if you want more low-end torque.
Yes it does, too bad it losses about 100 wtq in the process. Trust me the car felt slow compared to the EVO X with the stock turbo. The spool time seemed like eternity. You are welcome to your opinion, but the turbo is not what is was cracked up to be by Garrett.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Clipse3GT
You are welcome to your opinion, but the turbo is not what is was cracked up to be by Garrett.
You're also welcome to your opinion, but what do you think it was 'cracked up to be'? Your opinion should also be based upon some fact.

The 3076 has a huge turbine housing compared to the stock turbo = slower spool. It has a bigger turbine wheel than stock = slower spool. There's no getting around this, can't change physics.

What do the big turbine housing and bigger turbine wheel do? Allow you to make more power on pump gas. That's exactly what it does. If people have different expectations, then they should have done more research.

Lastly, CBRDs car is still fairly bottled up on the exhaust side using the stock exhaust elbow. So there certainly room for improvement on the spoolup. There's also room for more power. The 3076 can take max advantage of cams whereas the stock turbo can not; there's only so much flow you can force though a small hole, i.e small turbine housing and wheel.

Now, if people consider the lag too much, there's the 3071 with the smaller turbine housing that will spool up faster. It's not like there isn't the option of a faster spooling turbo.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
You're also welcome to your opinion, but what do you think it was 'cracked up to be'? Your opinion should also be based upon some fact.

The 3076 has a huge turbine housing compared to the stock turbo = slower spool. It has a bigger turbine wheel than stock = slower spool. There's no getting around this, can't change physics.

What do the big turbine housing and bigger turbine wheel do? Allow you to make more power on pump gas. That's exactly what it does. If people have different expectations, then they should have done more research.

Lastly, CBRDs car is still fairly bottled up on the exhaust side using the stock exhaust elbow. So there certainly room for improvement on the spoolup. There's also room for more power. The 3076 can take max advantage of cams whereas the stock turbo can not; there's only so much flow you can force though a small hole, i.e small turbine housing and wheel.

Now, if people consider the lag too much, there's the 3071 with the smaller turbine housing that will spool up faster. It's not like there isn't the option of a faster spooling turbo.
Yes those are valid points, but the car should not be losing 100wtq at the same point where the stock turbo was making that torque. Torque = acceleration plain and simple. I know how that car felt compared to the stock turbo since we drove both cars back to back. It simply was doing what Garrett cracked it up to be a 530 whp monster. As well as no one even puts close to those numbers with this turbo.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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My fmic was heat soaked too...I only made like 298 wtq there at 23.6 psi...i have the turbo xs one....will be getting either cbrd or buschur fmic and retune
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by griffeyr
My fmic was heat soaked too...I only made like 298 wtq there at 23.6 psi...i have the turbo xs one....will be getting either cbrd or buschur fmic and retune
Yeah, I'm going to wait until the CBRD crew come out with a FMIC for the EVO X. I really liked the BR core, but didn't want to hack up the bumper beam for safety reasons. I think my heat soak came from the long trip, should have sprayed it down ice cold water and then let it get to room temp and start tuning. 5 hour drive in 75-80 degree weather doesn't help.
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