why not ask AMS to compare your graph with similar cars you are comparing it to. I'm sure they have some cars with those mods. Instead of pulling a graph from somewhere else.
It does seem a little low but I have yet to see a MR dyno graph.

 

Not sure if I was on the same DynoJet model dyno as you were and my car was tuned using ECUFlash but I had a 79.43whp gain post tune on my X MR with just a ETS UICP, ETS intake kit, and boost pill removal.

That means that your LICP, TBE (no cat), MBC, and meth mix only yielded 34.85whp more gain than I had. That doesn't sound right.

What was the ambient temp on your tune day?

 

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I would imagine AMS's dyno reads lower than the other one. The baseline run on the ams dyno looks about like what X's baseline on the dyno4mance dyno dynamics.

Only way to know for sure is to run both cars on the same dyno the same day.

 

yep its a mr but the dyno results are almost identical, maybe 10 hp short of a gsr max. AMS told me that the mr's are making the same power as the gsr's at the time i got it tuned.

I pulled some graphs from some other MR's



+80 HP intake and uicp

 

I will give you my opinion. First, your car is making 114 hp over base. That is fantastic. Be happy about it.

Second, you cannot compare dynos like that. You MUST compare cars on the same dyno, on the same day if possible. That is what AMS (to their credit) did with your car. AL did not do that, so we do not know the baseline of the other car. His car might have lower gains than your car.

Third, if AMS tuned the car conservattively, then they did so because the MR tranny is weak and cannot survive high tq numbers for long. Would you like them to tune it aggressive and then blow the ultra expensive clutchs on the MR tranny? Is that really wise?

If you wanted maximum power, then you should have bought the GSR or get the MR clutch packs for $1000 and then get them installed for another $1000.

Fourth, your dyno curve is SAE corrected, while the one posted by AL is not. I am willing to bet that the uncorrected number is used because it produced a higher power curve.

Fifth, A dyno run in 3rd gear produces more power than a dyno run in 4th gear. You do not know what gear was run done in on the dyno that you found in this sub-forum. I am willing to be that it was done in 3rd gear.

 

Check out this thread:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-free-add.html

MR's definitely put down less power than GSR's at this time.

 

Nice...this is the answer i was looking for. I dint realize that there was so much involved with reading the charts, and how people would "leave out" important information on their charts. I see this all day in the dyno results page.

The whole reason for my post was not because i was unhappy with my results but to better understand why the numbers on peoples dyno charts were varying so much. I mean you see some people with a whole list of mods making x HP and then you see another person with intake and TBE making the same ?!?

The car that AL tuned baselined at 300 hp with a mail in flash, then he brought it in for a custom tune and made 333:


So i guess he made 20-33 hp in the end? Maybe 20 HP with the mail in and 33 More with the custom tune...So the true baseline here sounds like 280.

And as far as my car i have full plans of upgrading the clutch packs and adding the sump pump tyranny cooler to handle the hp and tq. Looking to go with a bigger turbo that's why. So in the end everyone is making the same gains for the most part the baseline's are what is really important, to better understand the real gains.

 

lets not forget about dyno calibration, even if ALL things were equal, conditons and cars,

this thread like all others comparing apples to oranges, IS POINTLESS

 

It's never prudent to use SAE correction on turbocharged cars... the small ambient differences in effective air pressure make little difference under higher pressure ratios. But for most dyno software, your only option is to use the built-in correction factor system.

The best you can do is compare your own car to itself, on the same dyno, corrected. I think you're seeing some very impressive gains. Numbers are numbers. I'd be more concerned with the actual street and track performance of the car. If you're happy with it, I dunno what else matters. I have another car as my dyno queen. The Evo is for pure fun

 

NyRsNy,

What gear was your dyno pull done in?

 

Lets ask the man...im not shure

 

There are also other variables involve. With your MR you should be dynoing in 5th gear. That is your closest 1 to 1 ratio and a GSR should be in 4th. I see many people dyno in different gears which will yeild a different number. You should base it on your gains only. With the gearing it is very difficult to tell weather you are making more or less power. Just my .02

 

I was very surprised by the variation among dyno numbers until I learned that numbers don't really matter without context, including most importantly the baseline numbers.

However, I think that AMS, to their credit, tunes more conservatively than other tuners/shops.

 

My 4th gear pull was not much different from my 3rd gear pull. Difference of 3.03whp and 7.13wtq.