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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 06:04 AM
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Help, Cobb Stage 2 breaking up at high RPM

I'm running Cobb HKS 93 oct stage 2 map. My mods are just a panel filter, UICP, pulled the pill (I tried putting it back in because I was slightly overboosting, but I had the same results.) and AP.

I'm getting a lot of breakup that starts at about 5500rpm at WOT. I'm thinking plugs are possibly getting weak, but I just don't know. I'm also getting tons of black smoke during the breakup, so I don't know if it is from overfueling or misfire.

Any help would be great. Thanks.
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 06:10 AM
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probably going super rich and turning off the spark. Pull out the plugs and check the way they look see if it's all black.
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharkbite2000
probably going super rich and turning off the spark. Pull out the plugs and check the way they look see if it's all black.
That's what I was thinking, but I'm somewhat of a rookie when it comes to this stuff. I'll try to do that in the morning. Thanks!
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 10:18 AM
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Are you running a turboback exhaust as per the instructions for a stage 2 map?
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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are you running a turboback exhaust as per the instructions for a stage 2 map?
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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Yeah, looks as if you should have read the stage II requirements a little more closely... Put the pill back in, and reflash to HKS Stage I.
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Old Nov 6, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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A minimum of a catback + test pipe is required for a stage 2. You don't necessarily need a DP upgrade as the stock one already flows very well.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 05:15 AM
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For all that don't know, Stage 2 does not require the exhaust system(per Hollywood).

I have read the instructions and am fully aware of what cobb states is required.
It has been verified by several other people and tuners that the stage 2 is safer without the exhaust and not absolutly needed.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 06:46 AM
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Well, some people are obviously having problems running a stage II map on a stage I equipped car. So maybe there is something to COBB's recommendation...
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 06:50 AM
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Well, some people are obviously having problems running a stage II map on a stage I equipped car. So maybe there is something to COBB's recommendation...
lol Maybe. Do you have any history with the AP?
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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Why don't you call Cobb directly? There has to be a reason they have a stage 1 versus stage 2 map right? It "might" be ok for "some" cars to run stage 2 without an exhaust, but I would guess that in general, it's safer and better to run the stage 1 map. Try stage 1 and see how it runs.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LaXGSR
Why don't you call Cobb directly? There has to be a reason they have a stage 1 versus stage 2 map right? It "might" be ok for "some" cars to run stage 2 without an exhaust, but I would guess that in general, it's safer and better to run the stage 1 map. Try stage 1 and see how it runs.
Getting ready to flash stage 1 here in a few.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Stage 1 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2008 Mitsubishi EVO X GSR vehicle with a stock or cat-back exhaust

Stage 2 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2008 Mitsubishi EVO GSR vehicle with full turbo back exhaust system

Which part of “full turbo back” don’t you understand?
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lowkey
Stage 1 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2008 Mitsubishi EVO X GSR vehicle with a stock or cat-back exhaust

Stage 2 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2008 Mitsubishi EVO GSR vehicle with full turbo back exhaust system

Which part of “full turbo back” don’t you understand?
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I am very aware of what cobb claims that you need to run stage 2.

This is the type of response i was looking for.

Originally Posted by hollywood_X
Also when running stage 2 without the "Requested" modifications that Cobb lists you wont get the full benefits from the tune.
You gave a lot of down low grunt but in the upper rpm's at higher gears the exhaust backpressure will start effecting you.
Getting a good cat back will solve the power loss and studder that you are experiencing.

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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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mine does it with just stage 1 it doesn't have anything to do with stages or turbo-back / stock. It must just still be getting far to much fuel up top... wish I could get rid of this so I can haul *** all the way to redline!!!
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