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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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had some weird stuff from this mod today will explain later please beware of knock!
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HB Speed
had some weird stuff from this mod today will explain later please beware of knock!
I've been tuning from the rich side of things until I can dial it in perfect again myself.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 01:15 AM
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No matter what your high oct or low oct fuel maps say, your ECU will always try to achieve 14.7 while in closed loop. You cannot adjust your AFR in closed loop unless you put some sort of resistor in between the O2 sensor and the ECU, making the ECU think it's at 14.7 when it actually isn't. The only other way to adjust your AFR at idle is to go full open loop by zeroing out your open loop maps like mentioned above.
Actually there is a constant Front_02_Voltage_0.5V = 0x1A => 0.01952*26 = 0.50752V in ECU one could tweak, but I cannot see the reason to do it.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 01:43 AM
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Actually there is a constant Front_02_Voltage_0.5V = 0x1A => 0.01952*26 = 0.50752V in ECU one could tweak, but I cannot see the reason to do it.
Ah, thanx for the info, I wasn't aware of that
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 04:43 AM
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yeah a reference voltage.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 06:43 AM
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yeah a reference voltage.
when do i get "powered by CBRD" in your sig?
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HB Speed
had some weird stuff from this mod today will explain later please beware of knock!
Yeah... leans out huh.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Yeah... leans out huh.
I imagine if you tune the car with the trims out then yes the fueling will change when doing this.

If you tune it with the trims tight, I see no issue with doing this.

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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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on the MR i did (0 fuel trims)

the car knocked wildly above 6500 (11.6 afr) with this mod and made like 264 whp (had to reduce timing a lot and it still knocked)

i turned it back to stock and kept the same afr and was able to increase the power to 290 no knock

Just an fyi
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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without before and after logs and before and after roms it's hard to see whats occurring
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 05:40 PM
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when do i get "powered by CBRD" in your sig?
You know I rolled the IX yeh?
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HB Speed
on the MR i did (0 fuel trims)

the car knocked wildly above 6500 (11.6 afr) with this mod and made like 264 whp (had to reduce timing a lot and it still knocked)

i turned it back to stock and kept the same afr and was able to increase the power to 290 no knock

Just an fyi
what happened?
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 11:50 PM
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My ****'s fine with this mod... running 12.2-11.8 AFR on methanol. 1-2 counts of knock in some spots, 0 counts on cool pulls.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HB Speed
on the MR i did (0 fuel trims)

the car knocked wildly above 6500 (11.6 afr) with this mod and made like 264 whp (had to reduce timing a lot and it still knocked)

i turned it back to stock and kept the same afr and was able to increase the power to 290 no knock

Just an fyi
That is an odd situation, but is it possible that you reset the battery after making the changes? I've seen the first WOT at higher boost at the boost threshold in 5th gear cause unexpected knock out of nowhere if I don't go WOT a few times in lower gears first right after a battery reset. I haven't seen it effect other gears yet but that's one possible situation I've seen. You did say you reduced timing and it still knocked so it sounds like you did more than one drive cycle. If the AFR's and timing were the same, what was different in the tunes that caused this mystery knock simply by zeroing the fuel trims out?

Like Tephra said comparing logs & Roms would be a good start to figure out why that may be happening.
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 10:47 AM
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Tried this on a MR today. Didn't zero LTFT.

The first two Hz cells where also slightly higher than your OP Tephra.

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