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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Bryan (GST) informed me that the Evo X does adjust fuel delivery during WOT to reach target A/F.

I was wrong. I guess I still have the old DSM menatility to tuning....
DSM's do it the same way.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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Thanks for embarrassing me again
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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Thanks for embarrassing me again
Haha sorry not trying to. I think your thinking is the same thing just interrupting it differently.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:07 PM
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Can anyone recommend a way to seal mismatched sized exhaust flanges? 2.5 --> 3 and 3 --> 2.5 High temp silicon?
well in my case i'm still running stock dp (been waiting forever for my o2/dp)..and next to it is my 3" megan TP...i just used the gasket that came with it and aligned it properly...it's kinda hard to align it when you're just by yourself and your exhaust hangers are fighting back () so in case you're doing it DIY..you might want to ask some help maybe...
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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The other possiblity is that exhaust leak is skewing the wideband readings at WOT and you are riching up the fuel map to compensate for what you think are leaner AFR readings, which would drive up the IDC.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:15 PM
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The other possiblity is that exhaust leak is skewing the wideband readings at WOT and you are riching up the fuel map to compensate for what you think are leaner AFR readings, which would drive up the IDC.

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I thought of this, but no smoke during WOT.. So if I was mistakenly over richening I would see black smoke on WOT right?

The exhause leak(s) I have are small, a little smell, no additional noise.

Could oxygenated fuel be the issue?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:58 PM
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I will seal any/all exhaust and intake leaks I may find.

Can anyone recommend a way to seal mismatched sized exhaust flanges? 2.5 --> 3 and 3 --> 2.5 High temp silicon?
I recently had a few leaks around flanges where the TP meets the catback and a small crack on one of my mufflers. I applied some Muffler Mender to the leaks and so far it's held up but I doubt it will last forever. Luckily it's pretty easy to apply and dries in a few hours so should hold until I get a more permanent solution.

Here is the product, apparently it has multiple uses but I found it at Pep Boys:

http://store.britelyt.com/servlet/-s...yt-aida/Detail
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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Thanks Chris, I'll give it a shot this weekend.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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Hey guys,

While fine tuning my Boost, I noticed that my A/F is now leaner than it used to be. Unfortunately I never logged IPW or IDC before so I don't have a baseline to compare to.

I wanted my A/F to be around 11.5 at peak and taper to 11.0 at redline. I have now had to richen the hell out of the maps to get it close. My mods are in my signature so please refer to it.

Things I have checked/replaced:

1. FPR vacumn hose IS connected and secured (has been for months)
2. FP Relay has been replaced to newer style months ago.
3. LTFT idle is -1.X
4. LTFT Cruise id +3.x

I am seeing >114% IDC at 7k with my few mods.

It is important to note that temps are around 35º and the cat-back is a new addition. From my looking around 210load around 7k doesn't seem that abnormal for a stock turbo EvoX. Anyone else seeing these load levels around 7k with a similar setup?

Any other suggestions?

Logs and Fuel map to follow shortly.....

I don't know if you have already done this. Make sure you change the Fuel Injector scaling value to 532 (stock Exo X) in EvoScan. The default value in EvoScan is 513.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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I don't know if you have already done this. Make sure you change the Fuel Injector scaling value to 532 (stock Exo X) in EvoScan. The default value in EvoScan is 513.

I wondered about that. It is set to 513 in EvoSan. But I don't believe that would affect my Wb02 measurements at all through EvoScan. It may affect other metrics..

Does anyone know exactly which metrics that setting in EvoScan affects?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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^^^^Hmmm Never thought of that. But have you logged before and everything was inline AFRs/IDC etc? I'm still saying it's the fuel pump. Have you tried leaning out your map and see what IDC do?

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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Also WB reading are WB reading. Does not go into your ECU readings. But I don't know if have evoscan set at 513 will effect IDC reading in evoscan. I always changed mine to 532.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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Hey guys,

I lowered the boost by 10% based on Bryan's suggestion. I lowered the BTEL, Reactive WGDC 1A, and Passive WGDC 1A tables 10%

I made a pull in third gear and IDC dropped to 109.xx. This proves ECU working normally right?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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You are trying to work out if its an injector issue or fuel pump issue.

At the moment it looks like you have run out of injectors - since you sitting at 115%.

The way to find out if it is REALLY the injectors is to lean out the fuel map(7k/180-240load) SLOWLY until you see that change reflected in actual AFR.

If it changes immediatley then you know you are at the max of the injectors.

BUT if it doesn't change until you hit say 90%, then you know its another problem... like the fuel pump.

ALSO - i don't know what your cruise trim is at but to make this exercise easier you might want to do the "stop fuel trims affecting WOT" thingy otherwise it will be hard to see the change taking place
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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Hey Tephra,

Cruise trim is at + 4

ok...I will increase boost back up 10% to where it was earlier today with the 115% IDC.

What amount do you suggest I lean the A/F 5, 10, or 15%?
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