AMS Evo X tuning Prices ?
Not surprisingly, the open source feature list is growing past what ECUTeK can do, and now use one or the other, or a hybrid of both if its warranted.
Most tuners won't use ECUtek because they have to buy the software, which is a huge chunk of money.
I see why AMS used ECUtek, it was awesome in the beginning and the only viable tuning option, but as Chris said O.S. has caught up now and he can do either.
I see why AMS used ECUtek, it was awesome in the beginning and the only viable tuning option, but as Chris said O.S. has caught up now and he can do either.
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So Im not sure if we really got an answer on why your so much higher that some other reputable tuners? So your saying because of your expertise is why your higher... Im sure you have invested alot of time and money in research and development for the X but so has alot of other tuners who don't charge near your amount. Im not saying your not worth it, Im just saying there is a substantial difference...
So Im not sure if we really got an answer on why your so much higher that some other reputable tuners? So your saying because of your expertise is why your higher... Im sure you have invested alot of time and money in research and development for the X but so has alot of other tuners who don't charge near your amount. Im not saying your not worth it, Im just saying there is a substantial difference...
EcuTeK has a nice integrated logger, and Evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. IMO it is easily now for what I need, but I am not one of the biggest Evo shops in the USA with very broad and special needs, AMS is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like AMS should charge for an Open Source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of Evos and Subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an EcuTeK tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using Open Source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
they didn't jump on a bandwagon, they are pioneers. Ecutek was available first with the x, ams was one of the early shops to offer evo x reflashing. For every new car they flash, they have to pay a license fee of some number (it used to be in the vicinity of $300), to own the flash rights to that car.
Ecutek has a nice integrated logger, and evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. Imo it is easily now for what i need, but i am not one of the biggest evo shops in the usa with very broad and special needs, ams is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like ams should charge for an open source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of evos and subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an ecutek tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using open source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
Ecutek has a nice integrated logger, and evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. Imo it is easily now for what i need, but i am not one of the biggest evo shops in the usa with very broad and special needs, ams is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like ams should charge for an open source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of evos and subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an ecutek tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using open source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
They didn't jump on a bandwagon, they are pioneers. EcuTeK was available first with the X, AMS was one of the early shops to offer Evo X reflashing. For every new car they flash, they have to pay a license fee of some number (it used to be in the vicinity of $300), to own the flash rights to that car.
EcuTeK has a nice integrated logger, and Evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. IMO it is easily now for what I need, but I am not one of the biggest Evo shops in the USA with very broad and special needs, AMS is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like AMS should charge for an Open Source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of Evos and Subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an EcuTeK tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using Open Source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
EcuTeK has a nice integrated logger, and Evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. IMO it is easily now for what I need, but I am not one of the biggest Evo shops in the USA with very broad and special needs, AMS is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like AMS should charge for an Open Source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of Evos and Subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an EcuTeK tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using Open Source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
They didn't jump on a bandwagon, they are pioneers. EcuTeK was available first with the X, AMS was one of the early shops to offer Evo X reflashing. For every new car they flash, they have to pay a license fee of some number (it used to be in the vicinity of $300), to own the flash rights to that car.
EcuTeK has a nice integrated logger, and Evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. IMO it is easily now for what I need, but I am not one of the biggest Evo shops in the USA with very broad and special needs, AMS is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like AMS should charge for an Open Source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of Evos and Subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an EcuTeK tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using Open Source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
EcuTeK has a nice integrated logger, and Evoscan's functionality was not up to par before. IMO it is easily now for what I need, but I am not one of the biggest Evo shops in the USA with very broad and special needs, AMS is.
To address the part of cost, suggesting $300 for a tune to a shop with a dyno is way too low. It blows my mind that people will spend endless money on hard parts, but cheap out on the tune. To me, $400 is the absolute minimum that a reputable shop like AMS should charge for an Open Source tune. I greatly prefer a shop with a dyno to a road tune, and they have overhead. They have to pay for the machine, people to load the car, and the tuner's expertise to spend time getting the car dialed in. I have been around a shop (that is now closed) that tuned hundreds of Evos and Subies. No car is "set it and forget it". They have to be dialed in for a true custom tune, and about 50% of them arrive with some issue that the tuner or shop employee has to sort out on the dyno.
If you are adamant against an EcuTeK tune, talk to the tuner and ask him if he is comfortable using Open Source and how that would effect your cost.
Lets not demonize these shops for offering awesome services.
I've been happy with my AMS products, and I'm sure I'll be equally happy with the $700 (or whatever it costs) tune AMS does when I move to Chicago.
Good points. I think it all comes down to: AMS charges what the market supports. If they were "overpriced" then people simply wouldn't use them. That isn't true, thus, their current pricing is competitive. It's simple economics, so there really isn't anything else to the discussion except that.
I wonder if people go online and ask why their dentist costs more than some other dentists?
To be fair though, I think the thread poses a reasonable question because some noobs may wonder if something tangible or greater performance is included with the cost difference.
^EXACTLY.
I wonder if people go online and ask why their dentist costs more than some other dentists?
To be fair though, I think the thread poses a reasonable question because some noobs may wonder if something tangible or greater performance is included with the cost difference.
I wonder if people go online and ask why their dentist costs more than some other dentists?
To be fair though, I think the thread poses a reasonable question because some noobs may wonder if something tangible or greater performance is included with the cost difference.
http://www.amsperformance.com/dynotuning.php