I dont think anyone can "demonize" AMS. Their shop is top notch. (but they charge an arm and a leg when compared to other shops) Im just saying, our stock ECU's are so advanced these days that they (IMO) are much better to tune w/o Cobb/EcuTek.

 

While we can't offer you all of the in house services and amenities AMS can offer; 4WS does offer great pricing on EVO X custom e-flash tunes and even better pricing on retunes down the road.

Starting at $150 for Evo 4-9 and $200 for Evo 10s PM me for more details!

Cheers!

 

Man all same sh8t. Cobb/ecuflash whatever they all do the samething. Just worded not same. AMS is what your paying for and they do good work so you are paying for good sh8t. Who cares what they tune with they do good work. I self tune so I don't side with anyone just the facts.

 

Are you seriously trying to sell your services in a thread like this???

 

If AMS (or any other tuner for that matter) is too expensive for your wallet, than go to a tuner who can do the job cheaper. Simple as that. But, the old adage "you get what you pay for" is definitely at play. Especially when it comes to tuning.

Buying a tune is no different than buying parts. Some companies charge more for the same part. For instance, a brand-name exhaust is more expensive than a cheap eBay knock off. But, you get what you pay for in terms of quality, service and performance.

So, if quality, service and performance in regards to a tune are not important to you, than go with a cheaper alternative to get your car tuned. But, if you value having the great service, a high-quality tune and the amazing performance, than a vendor like AMS (and some of the other highly-respected tuners on this forum) will be your best choice.

My advice, get the best tune possible from a vendor you trust and respect and will listen to you about your goals and will work to your satisfaction. Don't skimp on a tune. It's the most important part of the modding process

 

So your saying the other tuning shops that charge less are in some way giving you less of a quality tune? You said it "You get what you pay for" meaning if I pay a lower rate from someone like Buschur, awdmotorsports, or whoever else, because its cheaper its not as good...

 

I understand the premise of the overall message but I disagree. Pricing has nothing to do with quality. They are two unrelated variables when it comes to tuning. It does not work that way in this sort of niche industry. Pricing is arbitrary in the most absolute form.

 

I'd have to agree that the AMS fee of $750 (on website) to tune an Evo X is excessive. Especially since some of the best tuners known to all on this forum are charging significantly less than that. BUT, AMS can charge what they want. If people are willing to pay it, all the more power to AMS. That's why competition is key, and that's why capitalism works.

 

Your 100% right! People who get AMS tune there cars is cool they got deep pockets. like ARC stuff my LORD! But whatever and whoever likes AMS to ****ty DG motors thats there option to choice what they want. But yes there is some badass tuners out there that do it a lot cheaper and they have good names and do GREAT work.

 

well maybe AMS have got so much work they figure they might as well charge a premium.

basic supply and demand

 

Thank goodness a moderator came out and spoke the truth. People get banned or flamed whenever we critique a sponsor. Members always make idiotic blanket statements which hold no ground like "This shop is crazy awesome so they can charge what they want". I guess shops like TTP, AWD Motosrports, and HB Speed arent good shops because they give better pricing? Thats BS!

These prices have nothing to do with Cobb/EcuTek. They are posted on their site as open source pricing. So dont get it twisted..

Evo 8/9: $400 (competitive pricing)
Evo X: $750 (now that's funny)

 

Pricing is 100% relevant to the amount of time and expertise put into a tune.

Any tuner can do 1-3 WOT pulls on a dyno. They'll use there "base" flash to start and will make some adjustments based on your specific car and then send the consumer on their way. This is a cheaper option...and will be perfectly good for the majority of Evo owners.

But, if you want a tune that is absolutely dialed-in on every single measure, that takes more time...regardless of the tuner you choose. It could take several hours to get it completely dialed-in. Time is money, folks.

Take a look at dyno charts in the dyno section. Can anyone tell the difference between Tuner A and Tuner B? Sure, they can both make peak horsepower. But, look closer at the area under the curve and that's where you'll start to see the difference between the tuners. Now, the tuner with the better area under the curve has one of two things...1) has better expertise to dial-in the tune better than others...2) spent more time dialing-in the tune.

From what most of you are saying, a simple road tune (1-3 dyno pulls) should cost just as much as a fully-developed racing tune (hours and hours of tuning)???

Also, from what most of you are saying, you want each tuner to charge the same amount. Which is like saying that they are all the same so there aren't any advantages of choosing one tuner over another??? That's just not true. Each tuner has his own style and approach. Many don't really know how to properly tune a car that will be dedicated to road racing because it's not their area of expertise, while many don't know how to properly tune for drag racing. Each have their strengths and weakness and if you want the best, you may have to pay more.

For those that don't understand the difference between a regular flash and a fully-dialed-in tune, you will never understand the total cost difference and the advantages/disadvantages between the two.

 

I personally had a car tuned at AMS (not my Evo X), and have seen others tuned there as well. The $750 they are charging will most likely be a tune adjusted from a base tune. Most of the cars wont spend more than a few pulls on their dyno. So if "time is money" than the Evo X rate should also be $400.

 

On another note (and as previously stated), there are plenty of shops that would fit the bill and can properly tune an Evo X. And their tuning rates do not differ from Evo to Evo. These shops include:

English Racing
TTP
HB Speed
AWD Motorsports
MAPerformance
GST
Ivey Tune
CBRD
Jester

The list goes on and on. And for the most part, lets keep in mind that we will most likely get tuned by somone "more local" to us. I would assume that most that get tuned by AMS would be in the Illinois area. The price will also differ depending on what modifications have been done.

Getting back to the topic, I think they charge a little too much to reflash an Evo X.

 

The majority of the price difference is for the license fee, period. They are not pocketing $750, which you either fail to understand or just flat refuse to listen.

If you go to AMS and are adamant about an open source flash, I am sure they could accomodate you if they want to.

The OP's question is answered: EcuTeK has a license fee. For more questions about EcuTeK, Ecuflash, and their reflash pricing, contact AMS directly.