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Old Dec 5, 2010, 05:53 PM
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Progressively Worse Misfire; Need Help

I have DW1300s running E85 with a Double Pumper and BBX. I have a misfire that is getting progressively worse. I thought it was the fuel trims being whacked out but now it's really bad and I've been running a MAP that ran very well just a week ago.

I pulled the injectors thinking they may be gunked up, but they were clean after 6 months on E85 only. I pulled the in-line fuel filter and nothing there. I pulled the plugs and they all look decent. I re-set the fuel trims on the ECU by puling the #2 fuse (7.5A).

The car is running so rough I don't think I should drive it. I keep getting P430 trouble codes. It sound like a Subaru boxer motor when you rev it slightly at idle and the whole car shakes.

I need to get work tomorrow and I can't figure out what to do. I thought about putting the stock injectors back in the car but I just filled the tank with E85 and I don't have a map for the stock injectors.

Any ideas? Bad injector???? Will it hurt to drive the car at cruise if one cylinder is running lean?


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Originally Posted by delkat
I have DW1300s running E85 with a Double Pumper and BBX. I have a misfire that is getting progressively worse. I thought it was the fuel trims being whacked out but now it's really bad and I've been running a MAP that ran very well just a week ago.

I pulled the injectors thinking they may be gunked up, but they were clean after 6 months on E85 only. I pulled the in-line fuel filter and nothing there. I pulled the plugs and they all look decent. I re-set the fuel trims on the ECU by puling the #2 fuse (7.5A).

The car is running so rough I don't think I should drive it. I keep getting P430 trouble codes. It sound like a Subaru boxer motor when you rev it slightly at idle and the whole car shakes.

I need to get work tomorrow and I can't figure out what to do. I thought about putting the stock injectors back in the car but I just filled the tank with E85 and I don't have a map for the stock injectors.

Any ideas? Bad injector????

Thanks
I can almost without doubt tell you its your 1300cc injectors. Your not the only person with this as an issue, little alone in the bay area. I know a few people that have been having just an awful time with DW's 1300cc injectors and there new or updated injectors in general. Really glad I never went to 1300's now little alone there changed or updated injectors (1000cc new version have been a hit or miss as well). I bet you find some first gen 1000cc's and retune for E-85 your misfire issues go away completely. Been thinking about going E-85 now, but if I do it will be doing FiC's 2150's with the double pumper. Do you still have your old 1000cc's?

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What's your plug gap?
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What's your plug gap?
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Make sure the injectors are good. Don't drive it like that.
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I can almost without doubt tell you its your 1300cc injectors. Your not the only person with this as an issue, little alone in the bay area. I know a few people that have been having just an awful time with DW's 1300cc injectors and there new or updated injectors in general. Really glad I never went to 1300's now little alone there changed or updated injectors (1000cc new version have been a hit or miss as well). I bet you find some first gen 1000cc's and retune for E-85 your misfire issues go away completely. Been thinking about going E-85 now, but if I do it will be doing FiC's 2150's with the double pumper. Do you still have your old 1000cc's?
I really wish I had the old 1000s. I sold them as soon as I got the 1300s. Never had an issue with fuel trims on the 1000s. They were always rock solid.
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Originally Posted by GG_9_SE
What's your plug gap?
Plug gaps are fine. This just started happening over the past 1.5 days.

Is there a way to ohm out the injectors to see if they are good or do I have to send them back to DW?
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Can you tell which cylinder is misfiring? If so switch injectors around to see if it makes a different cylinder misfire.
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I had an identical problem to what you are experiencing and it turned out to be an injector/or plug and play adapters being bad. Had the injectors cleaned and new plug and play adapters installed and the problem was fixed.
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Originally Posted by GG_9_SE
Can you tell which cylinder is misfiring? If so switch injectors around to see if it makes a different cylinder misfire.
I can't tell which cylinder or if there are multiple cylinders. The car runs really rough if you just rev it lightly in neutral.
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Im having similar problem as you are, my car would misfire really bad under very like throttle when you rev it up and i am also running DW1300 injectors. i'm kinda leaning towards the injector being bad?
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Originally Posted by delkat
I can't tell which cylinder or if there are multiple cylinders. The car runs really rough if you just rev it lightly in neutral.
disconnect the injector power plugs one-by-one while the car is idling. if it turns out to be injectors and you have no near-term plans for major power upgrades, fic1100s are perfect for your setup. fic1680s would be next best.
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Do what MRFred said. You can also try moving your coils around as well. However I would be surprised if it is not the injectors. Pull them out ASAP. It is not going to improve.

Money saved on injectors is not really money saved.
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STOP DRIVING IT!!!

Indy just lost a motor having almost the same syptoms you're describing and he was using Dw1300's as well.
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It was the injectors...


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