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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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I do have 3 connectors left which you can use to fab up a plug and play harness. I did NOT use any resistors with mine, by the way. If you want, text me at 203-520-7162 tonight with your address and stuff and I'll send you one. Or... I can mail it directly to Chris @ EFI.

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Lou, if you could just send it to Chris, that would be great Let's take this to PM.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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we've tested them side by side (on an evo) and the duty cycle/boost curves are nearly identical. although i have found some very unusual characteristics with the GM when approaching 100% duty. i wasn't sure if it was due to the setup or the valve though. the unusual characteristics were that when ramping up duty cycle to hold boost up top, once it got above 96% the boost would suddenly jump from 24psi to 30+. i haven't seen this with a mac valve yet.

Must be the setup as I have never experienced that. Are you sure you aren't seeing the solenoid deactivation at 7500 as set from the factory?
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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when the solenoid deactivates it would go back to wastegate pressure. only way for it to spike is if it is on, and at 100% duty. it was really odd. but it was also repeatable (on this one car), and i have logs from it (on my laptop at home). also, note that it was on an evo 8 that it was doing this.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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when the solenoid deactivates it would go back to wastegate pressure. only way for it to spike is if it is on, and at 100% duty. it was really odd. but it was also repeatable, and i have logs from it (on my laptop at home).
No it does the opposite. It will jump to 100% WGDC at the "deactivate" rpm.

Logged example:



I've probably tuned 40-50 GMBCS's with no loss of boost control over a certain WGDC if the solenoid deactivate RPM was tuned. I'm leaning towards setup,install or WGA/EWGA issue.

fyi, I'm not pointing fingers at you or saying you don't know what you are doing, just trying to get to the bottom of your 'issue'.

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:17 AM
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figured out why it was acting weird i'll give you a hint. evo 9, FP red. MAX boost we could squeeze out was 28.6psi at 5100 (thats how slow it was to spool), and it tapered to 23-24psi by 6000rpm and held that to 8000rpm (with the forge MBC... with the GM3 port it would jump back up to 26-29psi after 6500-7000ish rpm). absolutely couldn't do better...

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KevinD
we've tested them side by side (on an evo) and the duty cycle/boost curves are nearly identical. although i have found some very unusual characteristics with the GM when approaching 100% duty. i wasn't sure if it was due to the setup or the valve though. the unusual characteristics were that when ramping up duty cycle to hold boost up top, once it got above 96% the boost would suddenly jump from 24psi to 30+. i haven't seen this with a mac valve yet.


and the valves not having any effect until 40% is common with all controllers. even manual controllers require a few turns before they make any difference at all.
Not sure what was going on, but the car had some issues holding boost til redline properly. I had Chad Block at CBRD tune my car, and he noted that the MAC type valve required more duty cycle to hold a certain boost level compared to a GM 3 port. Not sure if it was the way we tried to tune the car or the valve, but we maxed out the MAC valve in the upper RPM range. This was with a FORGE WGA as well. Not sure what it was.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Clipse3GT
Not sure what was going on, but the car had some issues holding boost til redline properly. I had Chad Block at CBRD tune my car, and he noted that the MAC type valve required more duty cycle to hold a certain boost level compared to a GM 3 port. Not sure if it was the way we tried to tune the car or the valve, but we maxed out the MAC valve in the upper RPM range. This was with a FORGE WGA as well. Not sure what it was.
the stock turbo in general has a hard time holding boost to redline. you'll never see a perfectly flat boost curve with that turbo (even with a forge WGA). i doubt you'll see any difference switching to the GM. what does your curve look like right now? post up a boost log with RPM if you can. i'll ask richard to post up some logs of boost with duty cycles using the mac valve.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HybridKOOP
The EVO X has great boost control capability within the factory ECU, use it.

- Lou

So why are you switching? I'm wondering what I should do no that I want t hit high psi on my Red / E85. Currently have HKS WGA and AMS MBC. AMS will tune. Is there a better setup option?
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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wow this is something new to me. I never knew about this but i guess today i got a lesson thanks for the post
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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Hybrid should write up a nice 'how-to'
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tractionlimit
So why are you switching? I'm wondering what I should do no that I want t hit high psi on my Red / E85. Currently have HKS WGA and AMS MBC. AMS will tune. Is there a better setup option?
I didn't switch, I just use a different solenoid setup. I said the ECU has good boost control capability within its maps, etc.
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