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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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This is what I tell everyone I know. If you want to keep your warranty DO NOT mod your car. Dealers are getting screwed by people so often these days they will void your warranty for almost any reason, some are more strict than others tho. So what you've got to do is decide if its worth the risk. And a 10 second car? Hope you have lots of time & money especially since you don't know what a BOV does.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Yea definitely read up on the X and what people are doing to make the power. Your warranty was voided once you put the AEM intake on there. So don't worry about your warranty. Dave's X is @11.7sec. He also has full bolt ons, stock like turbo and cams. The car is sitting at 407whp and 341lbs tq. You just have to read read read and figure things out. The one thing everyone is saying that you can not go with out is a TUNE!!! Good luck man!
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 11:02 AM
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First any mod you do will void the warranty, not just cams. So if you want to mod your car just kiss your warranty goodbye.

Start off with a turbo back + intake +Intercooler+pipes+ tune(full bolt ons at this point) this should get you to mid 12s. Then after if you want more power get a better turbo(blouch,fp red)+cams+injectors+fuel pump+meth+clutch and flywheel and retune. At this point your car should be running low 12s if not high 11s.

If you really want a 10 second car be prepared to spend some serious money for a bigger turbo+race gas+nos+really sticky tires+some serious weight reduction. Like what other people are saying, I really think you're in way over your head.

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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Maybe the laws are different in Texas, but for the most part, the dealership can not void the warranty because you added a mod, they have to prove w/ in reason that the mod caused the failure.

So I know I'm in over my head, but I don't plan on making a 10sec car over night, 3yrs seems a likely path, due to money, and learning. Some of the advise has been helpful, thx and keep it coming.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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someone's been watchinf FF too much...you have to pay to play...a "10 sec car" is just about knowing how to drive one as it is the power...as ^ said, work on the driver mod and be ready to shell out cash when parts start to break...because they will break.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguycfi
There is nothing difficult about driving a built motor with a 35R or equivalent turbo kit as a DD. That could absolutely get you a high 10 second car. Sure you might have some turbo lag, or the clutch may be a bit more difficult to slip depending on what you get, but it wouldn't keep me from DD-ing it.
If you haven't punched it in a car that does the quarter in 10 seconds you will likely not know what you're getting yourself into. Look at how many people die in fast cars every year because they are either foolish or can't handle them properly. Also, I'm not simply referring to literally being able to drive it, I'm talking about everything that comes with it. Such as cost of upkeep and practicality. I'm with you when you say you would DD it but I think you would have to make some sacrifices to do so.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ender179
Maybe the laws are different in Texas, but for the most part, the dealership can not void the warranty because you added a mod, they have to prove w/ in reason that the mod caused the failure.

So I know I'm in over my head, but I don't plan on making a 10sec car over night, 3yrs seems a likely path, due to money, and learning. Some of the advise has been helpful, thx and keep it coming.
lol are you that naive? They can void you're warranty because they suspect you've been driving it too hard. You gonna get a lawyer to fight them?
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:37 PM
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Maybe the laws are different in Texas, but for the most part, the dealership can not void the warranty because you added a mod, they have to prove w/ in reason that the mod caused the failure.
Yeah, the whole country has the Magnuson-Moss Act. In reality though it is pretty simple for them to argue that you broke your car, and you have to waste your time and money going to court to try and force them to fix your car. The only time this could really help is a silly situation like a dealer not wanting to fix your broken radio because you have an intake, which doesn't really happen to many people. You should really listen to all the folks here and be prepared to pay to fix things if you want to mod your car. Going into it with the mindset that you'll really beat the system when so many others have failed is foolhardy at best.

And no offense, but if not voiding the warranty is this critical, then you really don't have the money to make a 10sec daily driver. Drop the goofball FatF goal, and just work toward making your car more fun without some arbitrary goal that you really can't even comprehend. If you have to ask what a BOV does, then you've got a mountain and a half of learning before you could even start down the path of such an endeavor. Sift through the forums, there are a million posts of people rattling off mod lists and HP numbers to go with them. Use their mods to plan out your next. Take it one step at a time, which should be cake considering the mods required to at least get 400-450whp out of your car is pretty well known.

Oh and don't really stress on trying not to buy parts that you'll replace down the road. You honestly aren't going to care if 4 years from now you've got a $20k 10sec motor and you realize you wasted money buying a $400 mod early on that you ended up replacing.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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If you haven't punched it in a car that does the quarter in 10 seconds you will likely not know what you're getting yourself into. Look at how many people die in fast cars every year because they are either foolish or can't handle them properly. Also, I'm not simply referring to literally being able to drive it, I'm talking about everything that comes with it. Such as cost of upkeep and practicality. I'm with you when you say you would DD it but I think you would have to make some sacrifices to do so.
Ok yea looks like we are on the same page. I agree many people don't know what they are getting into and a 10 second car has much more to care for than your standard everyday evo.

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And no offense, but if not voiding the warranty is this critical, then you really don't have the money to make a 10sec daily driver.
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lol are you that naive? They can void you're warranty because they suspect you've been driving it too hard. You gonna get a lawyer to fight them?
Check out the Magnuson Moss Act. They cannot void your warranty just because they see you put an exhaust on or something. Now I'm not saying they won't try, but it is illegal.

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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguycfi
Check out the Magnuson Moss Act. They cannot void your warranty just because they see you put an exhaust on or something. Now I'm not saying they won't try, but it is illegal.
Just think about it, any performance mod you do will affect your car. If all you have is a catback exhaust lets say, and your transfer case goes and they say because your catback exhaust increased your horsepower it put more stress on your transfer case therefore we are not going to warranty it.

Did the TCASE really go out because of your catback...probably not, is it technically possible? YES!! TCASE go bad when it cant put the power to the wheels, and technically it is only capable of handling factory specifications. You modified factory specifications therefore the tcase wasnt meant to handle anything else. How do you fight that????

Name any performance mod and any mechanical failure and I will be able to combine the two and deny your warranty. This is just one example. The only chance you have is if your car is in fact stock and they try to deny warranty.

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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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I am so sick of hearing about the Magnuson Moss Act (I don't even know if it counts in Canada). My point is that unless you have **** loads of money to pay a lawyer (which you could just spend fixing the car) you aren't going to win against a car dealership, it just ain't gonna happen.

However as everyone else said READ A LOT. I just got into my Evo recently, I had a heavy modified Mazdaspeed6 before this but I've learned what I want to accomplish & how to accomplish it by reading other peoples threads and the dyno results section is gold for finding out which parts to buy to achieve your goals!
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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If you are so worried about the warranty then DO NOT MOD THE CAR!
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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rgr, btw, i do know what a bov does, I worded my question badly and already found an answer to the question I was trying to ask. I also talked to the dealership about warranty(s) and basicly they won't void the entire thing just the drive train if a mod is put on the drive train, and so on. I wasn't trying to beat the system, I just don't plan on adding 200hp b4 the warranty is up, but I get what yall are saying, I'll probabley work on fixing the outside 1st now and lighten up the car at the same time, (I bought it w/ hail dmg) carbon hood and trunk, ect.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Yea I would to appearence mods if I was worried about the warranty. Nothing wrong with that!
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