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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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yeah i'm not really sure why a cooler makes more power - by itself..

sure you can run more boost, because your cooling power is greater.

does a bigger cooler increase lag?
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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..... Like a man has been wearing speedos and then all of a sudden discovers boxers.....

haha!!! almost rofl'd on that one

but nonetheless, good to hear yet another satisfied ETS customer
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tephra
yeah i'm not really sure why a cooler makes more power - by itself..

sure you can run more boost, because your cooling power is greater.

does a bigger cooler increase lag?
It's probably the same idea as water injection. Colder air is more dense at the same psi. More air gets in, more power is made.

No noticeable lag at all. I believe it has been estimated at .1 seconds to fill the extra space with air. Turbos do flow a lot of air.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:06 AM
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Ets ftw
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cpunlamd
ETS has a nice set up. I wish they used aluminum for their pipes. The whole kit weighs like 200lbs..
It's not that bad. Boxed with packing material and double boxed it's only 40lbs shipping weight.



Originally Posted by tephra
yeah i'm not really sure why a cooler makes more power - by itself..

sure you can run more boost, because your cooling power is greater.

does a bigger cooler increase lag?

No increase in lag, the stock intercooler seems to be a restriction in the setup.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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Very good and humorous review.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Very good and humorous review.
+1

FMIC is a great addition and ETS is the best for the money imo...maybe the best period but Im not wasting the money to find out lol
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ETS Michael
It's not that bad. Boxed with packing material and double boxed it's only 40lbs shipping weight.






No increase in lag, the stock intercooler seems to be a restriction in the setup.
When running Pump perhaps, but I pushed 31psi through it on e85 and it worked great (stock one). Might be slapping a stock turbo on my new build for a month until the motor is broken in, so I will settle the debate with myself possibly soon.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 02:00 PM
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When running Pump perhaps, but I pushed 31psi through it on e85 and it worked great (stock one).
Did you compare it back-to-back with a larger, less restrictive, core? At this point I am ultra tempted to quick order a nice FMIC before my tune in 2 weeks... My Paypal account screams "DO IT!" but the responsible adult inside me says otherwise.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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Did you compare it back-to-back with a larger, less restrictive, core? At this point I am ultra tempted to quick order a nice FMIC before my tune in 2 weeks...
Nope, but Shane seemed to think it wasn't a restriction. I made 13 more whp or so than lomker did and he had full bolt ons with an upgraded IC.

Who knows though, i may find out
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 02:03 PM
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Nope, but Shane seemed to think it wasn't a restriction. I made 13 more whp or so than lomker did and he had full bolt ons with an upgraded IC.
Did you have stock IC piping and everything?
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Variables. I have dyno results showing 22whp over the stock intercooler. Only thing changed was the intercooler. The intercooler should be labeled more as power retainer

If you put a stock intercooler car vs an aftermarket intercooler and did 10 back to back pulls the aftermarket intercooler car is going to be substantially cooler.

Here is an example on our 335i 30 secs after 1 pull, imagine 10. The starting temps are going to get hotter and hotter as the pulls go on and on.



When your AIT's get hotter and hotter you make less less power and have a greater risk of knock.

Michael
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Did you have stock IC piping and everything?
I had just a UICP.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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The way most people dyno.... there really isn't any time for heat to build. You have a couple of massive fans blowing right on the IC. Then they start the car up, get it up to speed, floor it, shut down the dyno and turn the car off. All happens in about 2 minutes. Then they will flash your car if they are tuning, or start it over again.

I highly doubt heat soak comes into play on a dyno.

I can see the stock IC as a big restriction. Murlo, your car with the Red, would have been a great test subject. Oh well.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ETS Michael
Variables. I have dyno results showing 22whp over the stock intercooler. Only thing changed was the intercooler. The intercooler should be labeled more as power retainer

If you put a stock intercooler car vs an aftermarket intercooler and did 10 back to back pulls the aftermarket intercooler car is going to be substantially cooler.

Here is an example on our 335i 30 secs after 1 pull, imagine 10. The starting temps are going to get hotter and hotter as the pulls go on and on.



When your AIT's get hotter and hotter you make less less power and have a greater risk of knock.

Michael
some actual real numbers

hve you got the same numbers for an X?

I dont know what the 335 cooler is like...
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