Best turbo setup.....
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Best turbo setup.....
hey guys I just want to know want the best setup out there for daily driving and having at least 450hp under the hoop without major complications...... for Evo X GSR
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Oh yeah....I should of clarified...the numbers I listed were VDR.....
But we all know numbers are just numbers....take it to the track if you need/want validation. I personally don't need validation, my car just pulls and pulls!
David, kinda off topic but does 400whp correlate to 370-380 grams/sec?
But we all know numbers are just numbers....take it to the track if you need/want validation. I personally don't need validation, my car just pulls and pulls!
David, kinda off topic but does 400whp correlate to 370-380 grams/sec?
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I disagree, I just picked up a locals GoPro camera tonight to film some just normal driving and spirited as well to show the black is still a very streetable turbo for normal driving. I will make a thread of it later tonight maybe or this weekend, depending on when I go for a drive.
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I used the Grams/sec to lb/min calculator here:
http://www.unitconversion.org/flow-m...onversion.html
Apparently 370-380 is equal to 48.9 to 50.2 lb/min. Hell the Green is rated at 54lb/min...so if my math isnt wrong, lb/min *10 is roughly equal to Bhp * .88 (18%dt loss) = 393.6 whp..
is that right or am I all screwed up? That is about what VDR says too...
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Oh yeah....I should of clarified...the numbers I listed were VDR.....
But we all know numbers are just numbers....take it to the track if you need/want validation. I personally don't need validation, my car just pulls and pulls!
David, kinda off topic but does 400whp correlate to 370-380 grams/sec?
But we all know numbers are just numbers....take it to the track if you need/want validation. I personally don't need validation, my car just pulls and pulls!
David, kinda off topic but does 400whp correlate to 370-380 grams/sec?
54 lbs/min = 408 g/s
On my personal car I log 410-420g/s meaning I max out the turbo with stock cams.
FP Red
60 lbs/min = 454 g/s
Stock Turbo
41 lbs/min = 310 g/s
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The OP is in VA, which has that great 93 octane so I'd just bolt a Black on there. It's the only real game in town if you want 450ish on pump (without going to an ETS kit). That's also about the max any sane person would run on a stock motor, so it's all WIN.
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I don't know if I would run a black on a stock motor. It would be fine but if its for a DD i would just go with a green or bbx-lite. To me, DD = needs spool faster. Second car/track = moar power. Not hating on the Black just saying that it wouldn't be my choice until I do a build.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
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I don't know if I would run a black on a stock motor. It would be fine but if its for a DD i would just go with a green or bbx-lite. To me, DD = needs spool faster. Second car/track = moar power. Not hating on the Black just saying that it wouldn't be my choice until I do a build.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
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I don't know if I would run a black on a stock motor. It would be fine but if its for a DD i would just go with a green or bbx-lite. To me, DD = needs spool faster. Second car/track = moar power. Not hating on the Black just saying that it wouldn't be my choice until I do a build.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.
I don't have a black, and I'm sure Murlo will provide decent data, but my concerns with a black as a DD on a 2.0 would be transient boost, and spool in 1st and 2nd gears.
The black spools "relatively" close to a red on pump gas in 3rd, but what happens in 2nd gear at 2500-3000rpm, my guess is alot of waiting.
But Hell Murlo, please prove me wrong....
If your telling me you have data to prove a black can spool like a green in 1st-3rd gears with pump gas, I will be shocked. It would also negate the need for BB turbo's.
As a side thought a black might be better for an MR due to it's fast shifting (less transient boost needed) and lower gearing.
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There is a trade off for the power levels of the black...
I don't have a black, and I'm sure Murlo will provide decent data, but my concerns with a black as a DD on a 2.0 would be transient boost, and spool in 1st and 2nd gears.
The black spools "relatively" close to a red on pump gas in 3rd, but what happens in 2nd gear at 2500-3000rpm, my guess is alot of waiting.
But Hell Murlo, please prove me wrong....
If your telling me you have data to prove a black can spool like a green in 1st-3rd gears with pump gas, I will be shocked. It would also negate the need for BB turbo's.
As a side thought a black might be better for an MR due to it's fast shifting (less transient boost needed) and lower gearing.
I don't have a black, and I'm sure Murlo will provide decent data, but my concerns with a black as a DD on a 2.0 would be transient boost, and spool in 1st and 2nd gears.
The black spools "relatively" close to a red on pump gas in 3rd, but what happens in 2nd gear at 2500-3000rpm, my guess is alot of waiting.
But Hell Murlo, please prove me wrong....
If your telling me you have data to prove a black can spool like a green in 1st-3rd gears with pump gas, I will be shocked. It would also negate the need for BB turbo's.
As a side thought a black might be better for an MR due to it's fast shifting (less transient boost needed) and lower gearing.