hey guys I just want to know want the best setup out there for daily driving and having at least 450hp under the hoop without major complications...... for Evo X GSR

 

take a look at the ams kit. I have it very well made.

 

is that 450 whp or 450 hp?

you cant really have your cake and eat it too.

a good DD turbo would be a BBXLite or FPGreen...

neither of which will produce 450+

if you really want 450+ then you will need to sacrifice spool and IMHO DD..

 

There are a few members getting 450+whp on Green's. Hell I got 420whp this morning on mine.

I average 385-410whp depending on weather, and my setup is far from optimal.

I would say a green is your answer. oh, and spools VERY close to stock!

 

yeah... maybe you can get 450 whp on a dynojet with a suicide run

 

Oh yeah....I should of clarified...the numbers I listed were VDR.....

But we all know numbers are just numbers....take it to the track if you need/want validation. I personally don't need validation, my car just pulls and pulls!

David, kinda off topic but does 400whp correlate to 370-380 grams/sec?

 

I disagree, I just picked up a locals GoPro camera tonight to film some just normal driving and spirited as well to show the black is still a very streetable turbo for normal driving. I will make a thread of it later tonight maybe or this weekend, depending on when I go for a drive.

 

amen to that..

I am logging about 310 g/s (using the rpm*load/5000 formula) which is about 330 whp (mustang)..

but that doesn't really mean much - i dont think you can equate g/s to power, because its not an actual g/s reading, its all calculated...

 

Ahh..ok.

I used the Grams/sec to lb/min calculator here:

http://www.unitconversion.org/flow-m...onversion.html

Apparently 370-380 is equal to 48.9 to 50.2 lb/min. Hell the Green is rated at 54lb/min...so if my math isnt wrong, lb/min *10 is roughly equal to Bhp * .88 (18%dt loss) = 393.6 whp..

is that right or am I all screwed up? That is about what VDR says too...

 

FP Green

54 lbs/min = 408 g/s

On my personal car I log 410-420g/s meaning I max out the turbo with stock cams.


FP Red

60 lbs/min = 454 g/s


Stock Turbo

41 lbs/min = 310 g/s

 

The OP is in VA, which has that great 93 octane so I'd just bolt a Black on there. It's the only real game in town if you want 450ish on pump (without going to an ETS kit). That's also about the max any sane person would run on a stock motor, so it's all WIN.

 

I don't know if I would run a black on a stock motor. It would be fine but if its for a DD i would just go with a green or bbx-lite. To me, DD = needs spool faster. Second car/track = moar power. Not hating on the Black just saying that it wouldn't be my choice until I do a build.

Murlo don't you have a 2.3 now? So that would help spool too. Can't wait to see the video.

 

No, i am on a built 2.0L...I will make a thread showing the black just cruising around for 5-10 mins.

 

There is a trade off for the power levels of the black...

I don't have a black, and I'm sure Murlo will provide decent data, but my concerns with a black as a DD on a 2.0 would be transient boost, and spool in 1st and 2nd gears.

The black spools "relatively" close to a red on pump gas in 3rd, but what happens in 2nd gear at 2500-3000rpm, my guess is alot of waiting.

But Hell Murlo, please prove me wrong....

If your telling me you have data to prove a black can spool like a green in 1st-3rd gears with pump gas, I will be shocked. It would also negate the need for BB turbo's.

As a side thought a black might be better for an MR due to it's fast shifting (less transient boost needed) and lower gearing.

 

I am not saying it spools like a stock turbo or a green (haven't had a green). I am saying it is streetable and builds 5-10psi pretty easily with just zipping around town. I for sure shift later with the black now, like 4k normal driving to keep it happier but I am trying to say its not bad at all for daily driving/traffic even.