It's one thing to make a cheap alternative, it's another to blatantly copy another companies design and sell a cheap knockoff. They don't allow that in other industries through copyright laws and all that good ****, too bad it can't be had for stuff like this.

I support AMS 100% (bought tons of their stuff, all bolt ons and two sets of pistons now)and I think it sucks the other evox forum closed the thread as this cheap *** chinese knockoff should never be purchased and everyone should know they are just trying to make it so no one buys the AMS version again. There are plenty of cheaper options other than the crap that copies AMS. And if you can't afford an extra 100-200 dollars for a downpipe, what the hell are you doing buying a 35k car and modding it?

 

Ohhhhh hell!!!! Here we go with this noise!

Soo..... what your saying is unless you make balla status...... get a geo metro? What is that level? 60k a year? 120k?

Look... someone else copied a few things off another companies product. AMS answered back. Thats call " Doin your corporate thang". It happens all the time. Lockhead makes a F-22, some other company makes a jet in Russia. The world keeps turning and people make money. I enjoy the idea that a company is trying to improve a allready great product. Yes.... they failed but they tried. It just means that everyone has to be on top of thier "corperate" game INCLUDING AMS and that spells even a better product for the consumer in the long wrong.

Bashing on peoples income is just not needed.








*cough* lower prices * cough*

 

My complaint has zero do to with peoples income, not sure how you took that out of all that I said. I said if you can't afford an extra 100 or 200 dollars for a downpipe which should be expendable income anyway after you already could presumably afford a 35k evo, how can you afford to mod at all?

I just hate people leeching off other peoples' work. This knockoff isn't trying to improve, its people stealing someone elses RnD and making an exact ****ty copy to try and sell cheaper and hope anyone who would buy the AMS one would buy theirs instead.

 

I'm very happy with my AMS intercooler. I plan on getting their widemouth downpipe when I upgrade turbos.

 

All my mods are build around AMS parts. If I can afford the car, I’m can afford to put quality parts on it. There was no way I was going to put cheap aftermarket pipes on my new car. The AMS Widemouth downpipe is a work of art with the build quality.

I even did a pre-test emissions check. My car passed emissions in CA with the AMS high flow cat. (I failed the visual test, but who cares, I passed CA emissions with the AMS cat)

 

The ams dp is gr8!!!!!!no dispute!!!

 

YOU are what's wrong with this industry. I presume you're probably pretty young based on this comment. No one has any principles anymore! Do you understand that when these things happen, companies like AMS stop making these parts because it's not worth competing? What happens when they do that? You're left with that knockoff POS that doesn't perform as well because you were to impatient to save your chips.

Unfortunately, it's not worth it for these companies to go into litigation on these parts because during the product life, they may only NET something like $15-20k, but it takes $35k to go through the process (as an example), let alone if it's multiple product lines. So the best they can do is EDUCATE like AMS is doing. Good luck to you guys, my friend made great power with this DP

 

When I was making the decision of which downpipe to buy, the cheaper widemouth options were always enticing. But when it came down to it, I knew I wouldn't forgive myself if I got an alternative. All these o2/dp combos are a ***** to put on, so doing it right the first time is key IMO. Haven't installed it yet, but the craftsmanship is great and know I won't regret my purchase. Its making a great centerpiece on my coffee table in the meantime

AMS, Keep up the quality designs and purpose built products.

 

Add me to your "what's wrong with the industry" list. I have a TurboXS DP waiting to be installed. I have knock-off TE-37's too. Oh noes, Rays is going out of business cause I bought knock-off wheels!

 

Added...You, and the newer generation of tuners just dont get it. As much as I'm against it, I understand about the wheels because there's a HUGE discrepancy between the cost of real and fake Volk wheels. But I'm not talking just about wheels...there ARE companies that have gone out of business because of knock off products. Go on ebay, how many fake Greddy, Hks, Tail, etc blow off valves are there that are ridiculously subpar? A LOT. You don't think those fakes hurt the bottom line of those companies?

The same applies for the AMS dp. Those guys over there spent countless hours designing and testing. Do you know how much it costs to make cast for something like this?? They have to recoup all of those costs, not to mention make a profit. To do that, their pricing strategy showed that it was better to price it a bit higher.

BTW, there are legitimate alternatives to this DP that are more affordable. I'm not going to name them in this AMS thread. BUT, if you want the best, save a couple bucks from your next few paychecks and pick it up. SUPPORT your industry! umps fist: lol

 

Wow, just wow. Way to miss the point.

Wish my teachers would have accepted that logic.

"No, its not plagiarism. I just improved on the original authors work"

Let's hope you pour your time and creativity into a unique idea.. and someone steals it. Jackass.

 

If you can prove that ford invented the car...... I'll STFU . Way i look at it...... some dude came up with the idea of a powered coach and ford figured out a way to make it better, faster, and produce a junkload more. Wicapedia it!

AND everyone is missing my main point!!! Lower the price so I can achive AMS greatness! I really want one and a "hook a brotha up" price would be neet.

 

We all get your point. And many disagree. You also chose the worst kind of example to make your point. Does this part look better or faster to you?

I sure as hell can't fab a part on par with AMS, so I rely on the aftermarket. Wading through advertising and hype can be confusing at best. I understand wanting to save a buck, but I would be disappointed if a part like the TXS DP arrived on my porch. There are plenty of times that it is worth it to save some cash, but we should thank Andrew for clearly illustrating that this isn't one of those times.

I appreciate that there's a bit of sarcasm in your post, and you seem to get the bigger picture here... Answer me this: With no right to protect their intellectual property, what incentive does a company like AMS have to invest in R & D?

 

What incentive? To make money? Dunno..... whats the point if you cant get a profit. Is that the right answer?
But I'm sure you got a different opinion..... so bump it, make me see the light, and help AMS sell another pipe on top of the 15 thanks to this "free advertisment" thread.

 

It all comes down to the fact that you get what you pay for. I spent the extra money and got the AMS Widemouth downpipe and I'm very happy with the quality and performance of the product. I also got the AMS front mount and I am with the others that stand behind AMS products, they work!