yeah, i'm not going to go any higher than 375tq and and will get a dw65c

 

Nice. But like I said, it's an unpopular opinion. There's 100 people that will tell their built motors work just fine. Its really up to you. I'm only speaking from the experience of myself and people that I know, personally.

 

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that the engines won't last, and I for one want it to, which is why I'd only build it if I ran into a ton of money and it wasn't my daily anymore.
Would you recommend against an agp t3 5858 kit over a stock frame gtx3071r or gtx3576r? I'm looking for at least 400hp but have no desire to have to go past 450 or 500, and keep it at those levels

 

I don't know anything about either of those turbos, to tell the truth. You can go pretty small. I have an FP 71HTA that will do 400whp pretty easy and spools like stock.

 

The EFR 7163 makes all those turbos look like garbage. If you can pay the extra cost it does everything better.

 

7163 is a waste of cash when you consider the stock frame options available. Unless you're chasing tenths on the track or enjoy being different to the norm I wouldn't bother, leave the motor stock and keep it in that 400-500hp territory as everything is serviceable/manageable. I'm finishing a ground up rebuild on mine, wish I left it stock with a bolt on turbo

 

Definitely wouldn't say it's a waste of cash. There are limited options available for stock frame, and the 7163 is a great turbo.


That's not to say it's for everyone, but if you plan on getting a new downpipe and manifold regardless, it's no more costly than using a stock frame option.

 

This is kind of a ridiculous statement-

our 7163 kit makes 70-100 more whp than a stock turbo- with almost identical spool to stock- and has killer packaging-

it doesnt have the surge issue of the stock housing GTX's- doesnt have the bearing issues of most stock housing- nor will it have a turbine housing crack- etc-

consider we have seen over 100 EVO X and ralliart manifolds crack- and atleast the same amount of turbine housings- while we have had about 4 of our own branded exhaust manifolds crack since 2008

Dont make an opinionated generalized comment-

each persons needs/goals have to be taken into consideration for them to decide on what is the right solution- for us- our 7163 customers have been over the moon- even coming from our old stock housing turbos, other brands, and bolt on setups-

if you considering someone who hasnt started down a stock housing path yet- the fact that we supply a manifold, turbo, oil water lines, downpipe, boost solenoid and everything to bolt it up- for 4,000$ its a GREAT value-

cb

 

Stock X motor with MHI TF06-18K. http://www.forcedperformance.net/mer...=Lancer-TurboX


When its eventually time for an engine rebuild, then revisit the idea of a larger turbo (new turbos will likely be out by then, and an 8374 with integrated quick spool valve may be the new hotness).

 

Title is 'Opinions on turbo upgrade', guessing because I'm not a customer/fanboy of CBRD I'm not allowed to have one?

Also find it hard to believe a VBand 7163 can match a Evo X turbo for response, but I guess we'll just have to take your word, fork out $4K and see for ourselves

 

You're misunderstanding. He's basically saying not to express your opinion as fact. There's a big difference between
"I think those turbos are crap".
And
"Those turbos are crap".

 

He's speaking about the twinscroll 7163 when making that statement.

And yes, you can bet money that a twinscroll 7163 has better transient response than a stock X turbo..