A couple of rules to keep in mind with the EVO X
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In all honesty I admit the EVO X isn't the performance monster I had hoped for. But still a lot of you haters are examining the EVO X wrongly in my opinion and are not taken into account a couple of rules when examining the EVO X. Therefore your opinions are both over exaggerated and ignorant.
Rule #1 (Stop freaking looking at factory horsepower rating to determine the power gain of a EVO from generation to generation)-
Everybody and their mamas know that no EVO is ever correctly rated power wise from the factory. All EVOs are underrated from the factory. This why I have a problem understanding why so many of you are making such a big stink about the factory horsepower rating. To accurately determine if a EVO has gained power or not from the factory, you have to look at torque, not horsepower. I know in the United States we are so use to looking at the horsepower rating to attribute gains in power, for instance the 2007 C6 Corvette 400-405hp to 2008 C6 Corvette 436hp or so. But when it comes to the EVO this just isn't the case.
EVO III
2780-2800Lbs
228lbs/ft
EVO IV
2970-2990Lbs
260lbs/ft
EVO V and EVO VI
2990-3010Lbs
274lbs/ft
EVO VII
3170-3200Lbs
282lbs/ft
Now here is where it gets tricky, US spec vehicles are different than the way they rate vehicles in Japan.
USDM EVO VIII
3200-3260Lbs
273lbs/ft
USDM EVO IX
3220-3300Lbs
289lbs/ft
USDM EVO X
3520-3600Lbs
300lbs/ft or 311lbs/ft???
Rule #2 (Stop assuming weight gains is a new trend with the EVO and Mitsubishi)
Seriously some of you haters make some the absolutely dumb comments, but I can understand though because you guys honestly just do not know the history of the Lancer Evolution. Weight gains and minimal power increases have just been a fact of life with the EVO. In all honesty we in the America have such a short history with EVO, that we assume weight gains and etc. is a new trend with Mitsubishi, when in reality this has happend before. For example I could only imagine the anger EVO V and EVO VI owners had when the much heavier and only slightly more powerful EVO VII came out. Despite this the EVO model continued and still gained popularity and the EVO VII went onto the EVO VIII and eventually the EVO IX in which many of us consider the best EVO ever. So stop saying crap "Like the EVO has lost its heritage" and stuff, the same could have been said by EVO III and EVO VI owners a long time ago, and you know what the EVO is still here.
So what I am saying, is yes the EVO X is vastily different than the EVO IX, but eventually the EVO as far as performance will get better and better with the EVO XI and EVO XII and then the EVO XIII or later model will come out and we will play this haterade game again.
Rule #1 (Stop freaking looking at factory horsepower rating to determine the power gain of a EVO from generation to generation)-
Everybody and their mamas know that no EVO is ever correctly rated power wise from the factory. All EVOs are underrated from the factory. This why I have a problem understanding why so many of you are making such a big stink about the factory horsepower rating. To accurately determine if a EVO has gained power or not from the factory, you have to look at torque, not horsepower. I know in the United States we are so use to looking at the horsepower rating to attribute gains in power, for instance the 2007 C6 Corvette 400-405hp to 2008 C6 Corvette 436hp or so. But when it comes to the EVO this just isn't the case.
EVO III
2780-2800Lbs
228lbs/ft
EVO IV
2970-2990Lbs
260lbs/ft
EVO V and EVO VI
2990-3010Lbs
274lbs/ft
EVO VII
3170-3200Lbs
282lbs/ft
Now here is where it gets tricky, US spec vehicles are different than the way they rate vehicles in Japan.
USDM EVO VIII
3200-3260Lbs
273lbs/ft
USDM EVO IX
3220-3300Lbs
289lbs/ft
USDM EVO X
3520-3600Lbs
300lbs/ft or 311lbs/ft???
Rule #2 (Stop assuming weight gains is a new trend with the EVO and Mitsubishi)
Seriously some of you haters make some the absolutely dumb comments, but I can understand though because you guys honestly just do not know the history of the Lancer Evolution. Weight gains and minimal power increases have just been a fact of life with the EVO. In all honesty we in the America have such a short history with EVO, that we assume weight gains and etc. is a new trend with Mitsubishi, when in reality this has happend before. For example I could only imagine the anger EVO V and EVO VI owners had when the much heavier and only slightly more powerful EVO VII came out. Despite this the EVO model continued and still gained popularity and the EVO VII went onto the EVO VIII and eventually the EVO IX in which many of us consider the best EVO ever. So stop saying crap "Like the EVO has lost its heritage" and stuff, the same could have been said by EVO III and EVO VI owners a long time ago, and you know what the EVO is still here.
So what I am saying, is yes the EVO X is vastily different than the EVO IX, but eventually the EVO as far as performance will get better and better with the EVO XI and EVO XII and then the EVO XIII or later model will come out and we will play this haterade game again.
Where do you get the 3500-3600 lbs for us X????
I have a feeling once people start modding the x's turning up boost, bigger turbo's, ect. the motors are gonna pop like balloons. If mitsu could get more hp out of the 4b11 then they would have already, the only thig that was stopping them with the 4g63 was emissions. The 4b11 has very low emissions they could have gotten more power with out any issues.
Last edited by billyblonco; Nov 12, 2007 at 02:44 PM.
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I have a feeling once people start modding the x's turning up boost, bigger turbo's, ect. the motors are gonna pop like balloons. If mitsu could get more hp out of the 4b11 then they would have already, the only thig that was stopping them with the 4g63 was emissions. The 4b11 has very low emissions they could have gotten more power with out any issues.
Yeah, but isn't it difficult to extract alot of power out of that motor. I mean, its the same displacement as the 4g63, but I haven't seen a whole lot of 400+whp SR20's that would be on the stock block (could be wrong). I know its only got 210bhp from the factory.
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and the s15 version was 250 hp stock
does anyone knows how much will USDM EVO X-RS trim weigh?
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SR20DET's are known for being able to build up to the 400 hp range on stock internals....
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The sr20det motor is a good engine but the max psi it can handle stock is 15-18 psi and the block was over engineered by nissan so it can handle it. The 4b11 is a (korean) built block mitsubishi just did the head work so who knows if it will be as reliable as japan built motor
Who cares ^_^
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The sr20det motor is a good engine but the max psi it can handle stock is 15-18 psi and the block was over engineered by nissan so it can handle it. The 4b11 is a (korean) built block mitsubishi just did the head work so who knows if it will be as reliable as japan built motor
i know wiki is not the most reliable, but it says that the GEMA block is DEVELOPED by the chrysler, mitsu, and hyundai, but the ones in the lancer are made in japan
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I dont understand your comment about the torque as compared to the hp of the car. And then the comparison with the vettes which are c6 and c7. O and the weight is totally relevant as the cars just get fatter each generation in which more and more is added to them to make them more civilized for the American market.
Anyways about hp, people are crying about it only making 291 or 295hp, when the point is all Mitsubishi EVOs are underrated from the factory, so its factory hp rating doesn't really matter. So even if Mitsubishi rated the EVO X at 286hp which is the same as the EVO IX, I wouldn't make a big stink about it as long as I see that the torque was higher. For instance (if this happend)-
Mitsubishi EVO X-
286hp
311tq
Mitsubishi EVO IX-
286hp
289tq
Now if this happend, some people (not all people) would complain about the hp being the same, when just going off of the way Mitsubishi has tradionally rated power numbers, you can see that there is indeed a hp increase, because there is a torque increase. Honestly to tell you truth I wouldn't pay attention to Mitsubishi factory power ratings at all, and just wait till the cars get on dynos
Also yes weight is very revelent, but the reason for mentioning it was to counter act comments that the EVO will burn and go down in flames because it has become more civilized and gained weight. The point is that this is not the first time that this happend to the EVO, and the EVO still remains. Of course I cannot see into the future, and maybe many EVO purist decide enough is enough, and the EVO X does go down in flames, but I doubt it. But everybody does have a limit. If the EVO XIII turns out to be 3800-3900Lbs, I think I will have reached my limit.
