Every car company cuts costs someway or another to maximize profits, that's just smart business sense, but that doesn't mean that quality is reduced. They cut costs by buying in bulk, sharing components with other manufacturers, etc. They don't do it by putting in cheaper quality parts than the previous model, that's not smart business sense. The reason for not putting carbon fiber on the spoiler was not to cut costs, it's because they are trying to go upmarket with the car, as evidenced by the better overall build quality and improved style, and carbon fiber resembles cheap import tuner crap, and they are steering clear of that. I applaud mitsu for what they are doing with the new car. They made it more mature without sacrificing overall performance. Yes it's heavier than the old model, but that's because of the performance enhancing improvements; the stiffer, wider chassis, the beefier AWD stytem, etc. The new STi has been turned into a vagina. Who the hell wants to spend 40k on an ugly hatchback, and one that's got even worse performance than last year's model? And to whoever said that the new X is ugly, you have no taste in cars. YOUR evo is ugly, my STi is ugly, because they look like economy cars with big spoilers on them. the new EVO X actually looks like a sports car. Every magazine that's reviewed the new car has commented on the improved style and higher overall level of refinement and build quality. But you're probably like 16, so I guess the more mature style really isn't geared towards your age group anyway. God, why do I get the feeling sometimes that these forums are just filled with little Vin Diesel fanboys driving civics with spoilers that are bigger than their cars? Ugh, when I get my the new X, I'm switching to the evo x forums. I think that the crowd there might be more my age.

 

Just think about the manifold. How it could possibly be a true dual exhaust? The E46 M3 is just as bad.

 

Your right, its not smart business sense; however, some sacrifices need to be made if a manufacturer is trying to achieve a specific price point. Carbon Fiber is far more expensive than plastic. That is why it wasn't used.

Yeah, carbon fiber - cheap import tuner crap. Ok, so I guess that is why Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati use unpainted carbon fiber extensively in their most expensive performance vehicles. Straight line performance, steering feel, and driver feedback is sacrificed in the new model - those are pretty important factors in "overall" performance.

About the only thing i'll agree with you on.

You mean those that aren't Evo X fanboys? Or those that are not Evo IX haters? Based on the majority of your comments, you seem to be both. Please, I encourage you to switch to the Evo X forums as you offer nothing to this forum with your ignorant and biased X>IX opinons.

 

ok back on topic,

so where are these close up shots of the EVO X anyways?

 

Can you provide more comments on the sits? Its softer but how it hug you? How about the interior?

 

The Pictures Were Taken Sunday At The Motor Trend International Auto Show In Phoenix Arizona Outside The Mitsubishi Room. The Seats Are Tighter Than The Evo Eight Around The Hips And Softer Almost As Soft As The Old STI Around The Torso. Your Butt Will Be Firmly Planted Around Turns, But You Will Need To Exercise A Little More Effort To Keep Your Upper Body Straight In HARD Driving. it's not super soft. i'm not hating... it's just softer than older models, which is to be expected. the seats are still high off the ground which always annoyed me because i'm tall. hope that helps.

 

Negative. Look up muffler pics. One input, two outputs.

 

Canexican, you are calling me ignorant? Cute. Let me make something clear, the carbon fiber that you mentioned ferrari uses, is a dry weave carbon fiber, much stronger and more expensive than the wet lay carbon fiber used on your evo 9. Many of these companies also paint their carbon fiber because it looks tacky when left raw. As far as your comment about the EVO 9 being more communicative, the EVO X is the better handling car, with slightly less sharp turn in, but higher mid turn, all the way through to exit, grip. The new car also doesn't have bump steer problems like the 9 does. It's a more stable car. My comments are all based on fact, and of the opinions of all those that have driven the car, so i'm affraid that Road and Track, Motor Trend, Best Motoring of Japan, Edmunds, SCI, and myself would have to say that YOU are the ignorant one.

 

And for the record, my opinions are not biased, as I own neither car yet. I love all of the evolutions. Part of why I am going to buy the X is because of it's roots, but the new car is universally considered the better overall car by every magazine that's tested it. Period.

 

When I talked of carbon fiber, I was speaking from a style standpoint - which is what you criticized - not strength or rigidity. Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati have interiors and engine bays that feature unpainted carbon fiber. If it is so cheap in appearance, why is it left unpainted in cars that cost more than homes?

Oh, and I never said it wasn't a stable vehicle. I said "Straight line performance, steering feel, and driver feedback is sacrificed in the new model" - which it is if you base your opinion on what the magazines are saying. Just cause a car handles better doesnt mean that it feels better - there is a difference. Maybe if you owned a IX you would understand what I'm talking about. But seeing as you are going from an STI straight to a X without getting the privelege of owning the last, truly "raw" Evo, you will have no idea what i'm talking about - just what you've read in magazines. What makes a car truly "better" than another is purely based on subjective value. The qualities of the X that make it better to you and some magazine editors, I don't cosider to be better for me. You are just another fanboy that can't seem to understand that and that is why I call you ignorant.

 

Canexican, I have two friends who own EVOs, one with an 8, and one with a 9, and I know what they feel like. The bottom line is that the new car FEELS, and is, better in every other category other than initial turn in, and is still better and more communicative than 99% of all other cars out there. The new car is better, and I say this with no bias, as I own neither car yet. I'm just an enthusiast, and I like cars based on the facts; performance, technology, style, overall build quality, refinement, durability, etc. The difference between you and me is that I appreciate cars indiscriminately, and you, on the other hand, are just a fanboy. You really are incapable of seeing the truth, aren't you? Sad. Call me ignorant again, maybe it'll make you feel better.

 

hahaha that's awesome

 

i lol'd so hard i drooled on my keyboard ahahaah


Does Subaru close their eyes when they draw up the design of their cars?

Maybee for their next iteration they can come up with 10 designs and post a poll on their website and the CONSUMERS can decide the 9 out of 10 of their designs are god awefull and the 1 that is left might be moderately easy to look at.

Subaru WRX - Steadily coasting downhill backwards since 1997.

 

thats signature material....lol

 

Do you own them? No. Do you drive them all the time? No. Sitting shotgun does not qualify you to understand how the vehicle feels.

Ok, so apparently you don't understand the concept of "FEEL". Feel implies feedback, which is what the X lacks in comparison to the IX. The chassis on the X is superior, yes, but chassis rigidity doesnt translate to steering feel. You own an '04 STI, so it makes sense that you don't know what i'm talking about. The IX's steering is razor sharp and the X's isnt. The FACT that the wheel is .2 more turns to lock and has a steering ratio that is slower than that of the IX shows this. Those two FACTS are pivotal in how a car FEELS. Oh, and in this 99% of all other cars out there, you must not be including the IX, or the VIII, or any Evo prior.

If you were a true enthusiast, you would understand what i'm trying to say.

Actually, no. I'm not biased and I'm very confident that the upcoming X will be the faster vehicle (around turns). It will ultimately handle better, but it won't feel better. Do you notice that every reviewer says that it doesnt FEEL as fast even though they are going around the turn faster? There is a reason for that. Because the X is more disconnected than the IX in terms of feel. The extra weight, slower steering, extra sound-deadening all help to isolate the driver from the car - the exact opposite of what I, as well as alot of other Evo owners, are looking for. The only FACT here is that you just don't get it.