Is the Evo X really that bad?
Jan 9, 2008, 01:41 PM
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That's fine I guess you havn't heard but after market parts are already out and the car isin't even being sold here yet. Yep keep on hating.
About the rear view mirror commet, yep you are faster in a straight line but I will be enjoying my quiet interior as I'm talking to my girl.
Last but not least if people really wanted the IX instead of the X they can still buy it. It's not like there isin't planty of them going for sale. Oh look there is about 5 of them for sale in a 50 mile radius from me (only counting private sellers not dealers). Just stop hating if you like your IX why hate on the X you should be happy you have a faster car. So please stop waisting your time posting hate threads becasue it's making you look immature.
About the rear view mirror commet, yep you are faster in a straight line but I will be enjoying my quiet interior as I'm talking to my girl.
Last but not least if people really wanted the IX instead of the X they can still buy it. It's not like there isin't planty of them going for sale. Oh look there is about 5 of them for sale in a 50 mile radius from me (only counting private sellers not dealers). Just stop hating if you like your IX why hate on the X you should be happy you have a faster car. So please stop waisting your time posting hate threads becasue it's making you look immature.
Let them sell their IX or VIII some else will buy it and or more parts for the rest of us.
I can hate all day if I want, I think Mitsu dropped the ball on this one just like there 2G to 3G eclipse failures. If you want to know why it bothers me so much, I’ll be more then happy to tell you. Not like a bunch of kids who just heard of the EVO when it came to the US I have wanted one of these back from the 3. Over that time the car keep its trim lines but progressed in steps mechanically and visually.
So now what am I looking at with the X? It does not look like an EVO, it has a different engine then an EVO, and it’s being pushed to a demographic that is questionable. The rise in price and the change of look only confirm that mitsu is going for the older crowd like moms and dads just like they did with the eclipse.
Before you tell someone they should stop hating remember this topic is called Is the Evo X really that bad? I am merely stating my opinion on that question, and I know I am entitled to that.
I do not go around posting this stuff in the “I love the X” topics do I? For the most part I only post in topics asking for opinions. If I made a topic saying "what do you think of dogs" because I happen to like dogs I am not going to get all prissy with someone saying they hate them right?
On a side not I thought it was funny you said there are 5 for sale around me in a 50 miles radius, I was wondering there is EVO's in hell?
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Jan 9, 2008, 01:54 PM
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^^^sorry EvilRob
If you want to be somewhere quiet and talk to your girl you should go to the library.
Aftermarket will pick up quickly. I do agree on that.
I would suggest everyone who is looking for a new car buy an Evo IX now before
it's too late.
If you want a 300hp car with AWD. Buy a BMW 335xi. They even give you the option for a sedan, coupe, or convertable.
If you want to be somewhere quiet and talk to your girl you should go to the library.
Aftermarket will pick up quickly. I do agree on that.
I would suggest everyone who is looking for a new car buy an Evo IX now before
it's too late.
If you want a 300hp car with AWD. Buy a BMW 335xi. They even give you the option for a sedan, coupe, or convertable.
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I don't see this whole "costs too much" argument. The price is approximately a 3% increase per year. For instance, if you bought an VIII in 2003 for 31K, a yearly 3% increase will land you at about what the GSR is set to retail.
Three percent is the approximate national inflation rate per year, as stated by the government. Mitsu seems justified.
Jan 9, 2008, 02:22 PM
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I don't see this whole "costs too much" argument. The price is approximately a 3% increase per year. For instance, if you bought an VIII in 2003 for 31K, a yearly 3% increase will land you at about what the GSR is set to retail.
Three percent is the approximate national inflation rate per year, as stated by the government. Mitsu seems justified.
Three percent is the approximate national inflation rate per year, as stated by the government. Mitsu seems justified.
Jan 9, 2008, 02:33 PM
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I'm with you on the price. Demand for the car will dictate whether or not the value/price has merit. Mitsu has a chance to botch or to really shine.
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No way in hell that the X looks better than the IX!!!
All the debate over the past 6 months about the new Evo X has been dizzying at times. So many opinions on both sides of the fence. Now that we have just about all the information (no gosh darn MSRP yet 
), I'll give you my thoughts and we can all go from there.
So, to answer the title of the thread. I guess it depends on your viewpoint on cars. If you're an Evo purist, than the Evo X might feel like the end of the world to you. If you're not focused solely on raw performance, then the new Evo X is a pretty nice car. All depends on which lense from which you view it. I've found myself on both sides of the argument at times. I'm more of an Evo purist, so I'm more often on the hater side of the equation, but I can also appreciate a lot of what the new X offers. But, over the months the Evo X has grown on me. Would I buy it? No. Doesn't mean I hate it and the car has a lot of good things going for it
Exterior styling is an upgrade from the "econo-box with a big wing" styling of the VIII & IX. Don't get me wrong, I love my IX and I actually like the styling because it is so unique. But, the X is a better looking car
Interior styling is also a huge upgrade. While it still has cheap plastics, the layout is better and flows much nicer. All the upgraded electronics are nice and are required to stay in business these days. While I wouldn't exactly need all of them, many consumers expect them to be available in just about any car these days. So, makes sense to offer them in the Evo X
Handling for the X so far has proven to be an upgrade despite all the extra weight. The skidpad numbers are at supercar levels...right where they should be with an Evo
Braking for the X has also proven to be an upgrade. Stopping shorter than the IX with all that extra weight is no small task. Nicely done Mitsu
Weight is a bit out of control. We all realize they needed to add the new safety equipment, but the car still weighs too much. Considering other all-new cars are coming out and weighing the same, or less, than their previous generation (see the new STI and 2009 Mazda6 as examples), Mitsu should have been able to keep weight similar to the IX. They didn't and not much we can do unless you're making it a dedicated track car and you gut the interior
Power is probably the biggest point of contention. Minimal power gains over the IX, and slower straightline acceleration and track times than the IX. Mostly due to the portliness of the X's overall design, the hp/tq figures just seem to be a tad on the low side. Do you think anyone would really complain about this car if the power was at a level to give equal performance numbers to the IX? Hopefully aftermarket mods can make up for this factory power deficiency. You really shouldn't have to go aftermarket to match your predecessor, but it's what we have to deal with. You'll be able to make the X plenty fast for more than 90% of Evo X owners
Putting the SST in the Evo X has been debated to death. I will say that I'm not a fan of semi-manuals/autos like the SST. I prefer that 3rd pedal and the engagement of doing it myself. I will give Mitsu credit for not putting in your typical slushbox auto. At least it's a performance-oriented tranny
Option packages are a little wacky. They could have done a better job of making different options available. For example, not everyone who wants an MR wants the SST...so make the manual available on the MR. Maybe that will happen on the 2009 Evo X
Pricing. While we don't have official MSRP information, we've got enough resources (even a Mitsu video) all saying the same thing. $34K base GSR. $39K base MR. I think this might be the biggest mistake on Mitsu's part because it puts the price of this car dangerously close to luxury cars like the 135i, 335i, IS350, G35, A4, etc. etc. As great as the car is, if you're not a car fanatic and already know what an Evo is, and your shopping one of these luxury cars, it's going to be an uphill battle (on ice) for Mitsu to convince that shopper to come check out the Evo X. Time will tell. I foresee the first few months selling out because hot new cars usually do. But, after that I wouldn't be surprised to see incentives on the Evo (which never happened before) and being able to buy the Evo X at invoice price (which did happen on the VIII and IX...I bought my IX for invoice)
So, when you add it all up...is the Evo X really that bad? Not at all. That's why all the reviews in the magazines have been positive. Mitsu is betting the future of the company on the success of this car. Let's hope the gambles they've made in refinement, performance and pricing pay off so we'll continue to have future generations of Evos.
My $.02. Well, with how long this is, I guess it's more like $.03
), I'll give you my thoughts and we can all go from there.So, to answer the title of the thread. I guess it depends on your viewpoint on cars. If you're an Evo purist, than the Evo X might feel like the end of the world to you. If you're not focused solely on raw performance, then the new Evo X is a pretty nice car. All depends on which lense from which you view it. I've found myself on both sides of the argument at times. I'm more of an Evo purist, so I'm more often on the hater side of the equation, but I can also appreciate a lot of what the new X offers. But, over the months the Evo X has grown on me. Would I buy it? No. Doesn't mean I hate it and the car has a lot of good things going for it
Exterior styling is an upgrade from the "econo-box with a big wing" styling of the VIII & IX. Don't get me wrong, I love my IX and I actually like the styling because it is so unique. But, the X is a better looking car
Interior styling is also a huge upgrade. While it still has cheap plastics, the layout is better and flows much nicer. All the upgraded electronics are nice and are required to stay in business these days. While I wouldn't exactly need all of them, many consumers expect them to be available in just about any car these days. So, makes sense to offer them in the Evo X
Handling for the X so far has proven to be an upgrade despite all the extra weight. The skidpad numbers are at supercar levels...right where they should be with an Evo
Braking for the X has also proven to be an upgrade. Stopping shorter than the IX with all that extra weight is no small task. Nicely done Mitsu
Weight is a bit out of control. We all realize they needed to add the new safety equipment, but the car still weighs too much. Considering other all-new cars are coming out and weighing the same, or less, than their previous generation (see the new STI and 2009 Mazda6 as examples), Mitsu should have been able to keep weight similar to the IX. They didn't and not much we can do unless you're making it a dedicated track car and you gut the interior
Power is probably the biggest point of contention. Minimal power gains over the IX, and slower straightline acceleration and track times than the IX. Mostly due to the portliness of the X's overall design, the hp/tq figures just seem to be a tad on the low side. Do you think anyone would really complain about this car if the power was at a level to give equal performance numbers to the IX? Hopefully aftermarket mods can make up for this factory power deficiency. You really shouldn't have to go aftermarket to match your predecessor, but it's what we have to deal with. You'll be able to make the X plenty fast for more than 90% of Evo X owners
Putting the SST in the Evo X has been debated to death. I will say that I'm not a fan of semi-manuals/autos like the SST. I prefer that 3rd pedal and the engagement of doing it myself. I will give Mitsu credit for not putting in your typical slushbox auto. At least it's a performance-oriented tranny
Option packages are a little wacky. They could have done a better job of making different options available. For example, not everyone who wants an MR wants the SST...so make the manual available on the MR. Maybe that will happen on the 2009 Evo X
Pricing. While we don't have official MSRP information, we've got enough resources (even a Mitsu video) all saying the same thing. $34K base GSR. $39K base MR. I think this might be the biggest mistake on Mitsu's part because it puts the price of this car dangerously close to luxury cars like the 135i, 335i, IS350, G35, A4, etc. etc. As great as the car is, if you're not a car fanatic and already know what an Evo is, and your shopping one of these luxury cars, it's going to be an uphill battle (on ice) for Mitsu to convince that shopper to come check out the Evo X. Time will tell. I foresee the first few months selling out because hot new cars usually do. But, after that I wouldn't be surprised to see incentives on the Evo (which never happened before) and being able to buy the Evo X at invoice price (which did happen on the VIII and IX...I bought my IX for invoice)
So, when you add it all up...is the Evo X really that bad? Not at all. That's why all the reviews in the magazines have been positive. Mitsu is betting the future of the company on the success of this car. Let's hope the gambles they've made in refinement, performance and pricing pay off so we'll continue to have future generations of Evos.
My $.02. Well, with how long this is, I guess it's more like $.03
Jan 9, 2008, 02:41 PM
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Less driver input is exactly why I don't like it. If you're purchasing the street version of a "rally car" with sports car like reflexes, handling, and acceleration, I want the closest you can get to that "rally car" but street legal.
If you look good going around a track because the car is that good, congratulations on the purchase.
If you look good going around a track because you are driving the car for all it's worth and making it look that good, congratulations on your skill.
If the car has just enough technology to help you out when the going gets tough. That's perfect.
If the car cradles you and doesn't let you ride that fine line between trouble and control, then what fun is that?
I can see where your coming from but I think your impression of the IX and older Evos is wrong. Yes, the steering gives you lots of feel and the car is very very responsive, but the IX is still an electronic marvel. It will make a mediocre driver look very good and the X is just offering more of the same apparantly (we don't know yet because none of us have driven one).
Qoutes from reviewers on the IX, like "It's almost impossible to crash this thing" abound. And it's true. The only reason you see so many posts titled "Just crashed my Evo" is #1: We're on an Evo forum and #2 The car inspires so much confidence that people will drive recklessly in situations where even the electronic marvels of the IX can't save them. If you want a true drivers car, buy an older BMW M3 or something similar. Those cars have to be driven. The Evo uses electronics to gain an advantage. But what's wrong with that? Racers have been advancing the technology in cars to gain an advantage ever since Motorsports have existed. Now if your personal opinon is that you want to have complete control of the car around the track even if it makes you slower, there is nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, it is probably good for somone to learn on a more basic vehicle so that they can appreciate what the Evo does for them, and so they understand the basics/physics of racing. And many people who learned on cars like that prefer to stick with them. But the Evo is not a car like that.
If you look at it this way, the IX is just a toned down version of what the X will be: A car that helps the driver get around a track real fast.
And by the way, I'm not hating on the IX and older Evos. I own a IX myself and have no plans on trading in for a X. I love my IX.
Less driver input is exactly why I don't like it. If you're purchasing the street version of a "rally car" with sports car like reflexes, handling, and acceleration, I want the closest you can get to that "rally car" but street legal.
If you look good going around a track because the car is that good, congratulations on the purchase.
If you look good going around a track because you are driving the car for all it's worth and making it look that good, congratulations on your skill.
If the car has just enough technology to help you out when the going gets tough. That's perfect.
If the car cradles you and doesn't let you ride that fine line between trouble and control, then what fun is that?
I can see where your coming from but I think your impression of the IX and older Evos is wrong. Yes, the steering gives you lots of feel and the car is very very responsive, but the IX is still an electronic marvel. It will make a mediocre driver look very good and the X is just offering more of the same apparantly (we don't know yet because none of us have driven one).
Qoutes from reviewers on the IX, like "It's almost impossible to crash this thing" abound. And it's true. The only reason you see so many posts titled "Just crashed my Evo" is #1: We're on an Evo forum and #2 The car inspires so much confidence that people will drive recklessly in situations where even the electronic marvels of the IX can't save them. If you want a true drivers car, buy an older BMW M3 or something similar. Those cars have to be driven. The Evo uses electronics to gain an advantage. But what's wrong with that? Racers have been advancing the technology in cars to gain an advantage ever since Motorsports have existed. Now if your personal opinon is that you want to have complete control of the car around the track even if it makes you slower, there is nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, it is probably good for somone to learn on a more basic vehicle so that they can appreciate what the Evo does for them, and so they understand the basics/physics of racing. And many people who learned on cars like that prefer to stick with them. But the Evo is not a car like that.
If you look at it this way, the IX is just a toned down version of what the X will be: A car that helps the driver get around a track real fast.
And by the way, I'm not hating on the IX and older Evos. I own a IX myself and have no plans on trading in for a X. I love my IX.
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^^^^
Some decent points. I know a guy who crashed his VIII (back in 03 when they first came out) the first night he got it because he thought the car was invincible. Hopefully this won't be a trend for the X owners.
Some decent points. I know a guy who crashed his VIII (back in 03 when they first came out) the first night he got it because he thought the car was invincible. Hopefully this won't be a trend for the X owners.
Jan 9, 2008, 02:47 PM
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This is so much fun....
X = Unknown - At least I knew what I was getting based off of over a decade of trial and error with the 4G63. BTW have fun waiting on your aftermarket
Please go and buy the X, I think it would look great in my rear view mirror and the STi I am beating. I mean who else if going to be the film car?
X = Unknown - At least I knew what I was getting based off of over a decade of trial and error with the 4G63. BTW have fun waiting on your aftermarket
Please go and buy the X, I think it would look great in my rear view mirror and the STi I am beating. I mean who else if going to be the film car?
SCRATCH - You're right...it's SOOOO terrible. How far behind is the X? A tenth of a second? Besides, the drivers are different. How can you even post a picture like that.
SCRATCH - Aftermarket will certainly be there!!
What did we do when the VIII arrived? We waited a few months and there was plenty available. The only reason there was parts for your IX is because VIII's were around!SCRATCH - You just said the X is unknown, yet somehow you know so much about it and how terrible it is. For all you know, the X will respond to mods better and be FASTER with the same mods!! And THAT is what really matters. Mitsu has requirements it needs to meet with emissions and such so they probably did need to detune it a bit. Let's see what is does with some mods because that's where we will see what it's really made of. Not even YOU cannot deny that since no has tested it yet.
Somehow you know everything when the car isn't even out yet....
Jan 9, 2008, 04:00 PM
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SCRATCH - You're right...it's SOOOO terrible. How far behind is the X? A tenth of a second? Besides, the drivers are different. How can you even post a picture like that.
SCRATCH - Aftermarket will certainly be there!! What did we do when the VIII arrived? We waited a few months and there was plenty available. The only reason there was parts for your IX is because VIII's were around!
SCRATCH - You just said the X is unknown, yet somehow you know so much about it and how terrible it is. For all you know, the X will respond to mods better and be FASTER with the same mods!! And THAT is what really matters. Mitsu has requirements it needs to meet with emissions and such so they probably did need to detune it a bit. Let's see what is does with some mods because that's where we will see what it's really made of. Not even YOU cannot deny that since no has tested it yet.
Somehow you know everything when the car isn't even out yet....
SCRATCH - Aftermarket will certainly be there!!
What did we do when the VIII arrived? We waited a few months and there was plenty available. The only reason there was parts for your IX is because VIII's were around!SCRATCH - You just said the X is unknown, yet somehow you know so much about it and how terrible it is. For all you know, the X will respond to mods better and be FASTER with the same mods!! And THAT is what really matters. Mitsu has requirements it needs to meet with emissions and such so they probably did need to detune it a bit. Let's see what is does with some mods because that's where we will see what it's really made of. Not even YOU cannot deny that since no has tested it yet.
Somehow you know everything when the car isn't even out yet....
Whats with the SCRATCHing? Fleas?
Jan 9, 2008, 05:01 PM
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I can hate all day if I want, I think Mitsu dropped the ball on this one just like there 2G to 3G eclipse failures. If you want to know why it bothers me so much, I’ll be more then happy to tell you. Not like a bunch of kids who just heard of the EVO when it came to the US I have wanted one of these back from the 3. Over that time the car keep its trim lines but progressed in steps mechanically and visually.
So now what am I looking at with the X? It does not look like an EVO, it has a different engine then an EVO, and it’s being pushed to a demographic that is questionable. The rise in price and the change of look only confirm that mitsu is going for the older crowd like moms and dads just like they did with the eclipse.
So now what am I looking at with the X? It does not look like an EVO, it has a different engine then an EVO, and it’s being pushed to a demographic that is questionable. The rise in price and the change of look only confirm that mitsu is going for the older crowd like moms and dads just like they did with the eclipse.
Hell Michigan idiots its a real location
PS 2nd Gen of eclipses had the GSX so how did they mess up the 2nd gen? AWD turbo with a coupe/hatchback body hmm... Fullboostracing you should know that of all people having sold one and all. Oh did you mean 2g to 3g failure not failures. Not quite sure
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Jan 9, 2008, 05:40 PM
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Hell Michigan idiots its a real location
PS 2nd Gen of eclipses had the GSX so how did they mess up the 2nd gen? AWD turbo with a coupe/hatchback body hmm... Fullboostracing you should know that of all people having sold one and all. Oh did you mean 2g to 3g failure not failures. Not quite sure
PS 2nd Gen of eclipses had the GSX so how did they mess up the 2nd gen? AWD turbo with a coupe/hatchback body hmm... Fullboostracing you should know that of all people having sold one and all. Oh did you mean 2g to 3g failure not failures. Not quite sure
So back on topic..... Ill still keep my IX
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That's fine I guess you havn't heard but after market parts are already out and the car isin't even being sold here yet. Yep keep on hating.
About the rear view mirror commet, yep you are faster in a straight line but I will be enjoying my quiet interior as I'm talking to my girl.
Last but not least if people really wanted the IX instead of the X they can still buy it. It's not like there isin't planty of them going for sale. Oh look there is about 5 of them for sale in a 50 mile radius from me (only counting private sellers not dealers). Just stop hating if you like your IX why hate on the X you should be happy you have a faster car. So please stop waisting your time posting hate threads becasue it's making you look immature.
About the rear view mirror commet, yep you are faster in a straight line but I will be enjoying my quiet interior as I'm talking to my girl.
Last but not least if people really wanted the IX instead of the X they can still buy it. It's not like there isin't planty of them going for sale. Oh look there is about 5 of them for sale in a 50 mile radius from me (only counting private sellers not dealers). Just stop hating if you like your IX why hate on the X you should be happy you have a faster car. So please stop waisting your time posting hate threads becasue it's making you look immature.
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