Evo X cross country 2000 mile impression
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Scalpel? An Evo X review.
2500 miles, two days of sleep deprivation, dodging drunk driving Indians in New Mexico, traveling through 3 inches of snow, a few dyno pulls, lots of Dr. Pepper, and a psuedo migraine later, I'm ready to talk about this car. I've had a lot of chances to push it to the limit and have fun with it.
There are so many things to say about this car and some of it will be review, but I'll start at the top: South Coast Mitsubishi. Sam at South Coast rocks. He's honest, hard working, and generally just cool to deal with. He picked me up at the airport, which was very nice. They already had the deal pretty much done from the day before on the phone, so all I had to do was come in, sign the papers, and drive the car out. I got the car for a few dollars over invoice, got a good interest rate, put a few grand down, and was on my way. They were more than happy to clean it up, but it was raining and I wanted to peel the vinyl and plastic off myself. There is a reason to go to South Coast: Its cheaper than anywhere else in the country, and they give you great service. I don't know any better compliment to bestow on Sam and crew, so I'll stop there.
Lets get the negatives out of the way first. Here's my suck-list:
The interior sucks. Its not the absolute worst, but the competition has it whipped in spades. Granted, the Evo is an unapologetic weekend track toy that is licensed for use on the street, so if you only care about the interior, you probably should buy something else. The plastics used on the dash are really low grade and cheap. The fabric on the seats is much lower quality than what they used on the IX. There is a general low rent touch to most of the controls. I am noticing this because I came out of a BMW. This interior isn't Pontiac Grand Prix crappy, but its infinitely worse than what they are using in a modern 3 series.
The radio sucks. There, I said it. I have an SSS package car, and although it was easily worth its cost for the HIDs and the spoiler, the stereo is not a reason to buy this package. There are some very good factory stereos out there. Case in point? The Logic7 in my 335i made this Rockford Fosgate look like a Kraco radio from the 80s. Sirius is a bit silly, so I'm glad it was free for six months. It sounds very compressed and low quality compared to a CD, and is kind of like listening to MP3s ripped at 64kbps.
The gearing sucks. Its just way too short. The IX gearing was better, but honestly give me VIII gears with a IX 5th and I'd be so happy. Thank goodness this car is more focused on handling, because it will never be a drag racing rockstar since it doesn't attain a very high speed in 4th gear. Unless it can be revved really deep, running elevens on the stock turbo in this car will be the epitome of challenge. Fuel economy is effected by this too. I struggled to hit 23mpg in Texas driving back on flat roads with cruise control (after the engine had 1000 miles on it). The EPA sticker says 16 city, 22 highway. Yikes! This also translates to a bit too much cabin noise, especially on the interstate. Drive faster that 70mph, and it gets a bit loud because of the RPM. When you shut the door on a 3series, you shut the world outside and have nothing to bother you.
The extra weight is a little disheartening. Although you won't feel it in the way the car handles, there is no denying it is there, as acceleration, the aforementioned fuel economy, and braking all suffer because of this. I am all for a lightweight car. A 3500 pound car is just too heavy. A 3500 pound four cylinder is just plain wrong.
The gearbox is notchy and maybe even a little bit crunchy. There are people online already complaining about having a second gear grind. I have a second and third gear notch at upshift if I don't shift slowly or rev the car to close to 4000rpm. In downshifting or in spirited driving, this issue does not exist. With what is supposed to be a better transmission, these things should not be happening in my opinion. I'm a 34 year old dad, and I haven't abused this car a lick.
In typical Evo fashion, this car still has the turning radius of a school bus.
So after all that, it sounds like I hate the car, right? Not so. I'm just trying to give you all a very comprehensive review after putting 2500 miles on it. Here are some of the good things:
The seats are great. The fabric covering them is not the best, but the comfort and bolstering they provide is just phenomenal. I'll go one step further and say they are the best stock seats I've ever used in a car.
I think the steering ratio is an improvement. Its still wicked fast, but the darty edge of it that put it a little too far over the top is gone. You won't have to worry about ending up in a guardrail if you sneeze anymore.
The crazy driveline thrash of the Evo VIII and IX from light throttle in first gear is gone. This car is a lot more civilized in that regard.
Power delivery is nice, but a bit boring with the weight. You saw my dyno a few posts back- its fat, but offers lackluster peak numbers in stock form.
The place this car really just obliterates the IX is the chassis. Its ridiculous good. I know I keep saying it, but this car is screwed together so much better than the older Evos, that its worth lifting them from their graves for a chance to point and laugh. It rides over bumps so much better than the IX, and almost none of the road harshness reaches the wheel. What does reach the wheel is enough feedback to take over the tarmac. You feel like you can correct your line within a couple of millimeters to clip a tiny pebble in the middle of a tire if you wanted to.
But by far the best part of this new car is the fact it get all this and SAYC. I have never had SAYC, and it really truly is the best thing I have ever seen in a turbo AWD performance car. Remember that stupid understeer the Evo VIII and IX had? GONE. Period. In fact, switch all the traction nannies off, but the SAYC remains. And then you can provoke the car into oversteer. I'm not talking about a little bit of throttle on oversteer like an Evo IX with a nice thick rear bar. I'm talking about dori-dori-throw-the-back-end-of-the-car-out-be-careful-or-you-might-crap-your-pants-while-looking-like-a-rear-wheel-drive-ninja oversteer. I hit one of my favorite corners near my home with the traction nannies turned off at about 95% and had to majorly correct the yaw control bit so hard. I think I scared the crap out of the person behind me with them watching the rear end whip around. If that didn't assure them I was nuts, the maniacal laughter and rejoicing that ensued after more than certainly did the trick. Make no mistake, this little beeotch is the best handling car we've had in this country in this segment by a longshot. I'm far from a great driver, but I can't find the limit. You push it further and further and the car just laughs at it and gobbles up more road.
The new Advans are better than the old ones as I mentioned, and the brakes are still great.
I love the styling everywhere except the front from a profile angle. I'm sure I'll get used to it.
This car is not as good of a commuter car as the 335i was, but it a lot more fun (and capable) when driving fast.
If handling was what sucked you into your VIII or IX and 4G63 drag racing heritage is not your thing, run to a dealership and put your name in the hat for an X. Its infinitely better at carving up the twisty sections of road and you won't regret it one bit.
2500 miles, two days of sleep deprivation, dodging drunk driving Indians in New Mexico, traveling through 3 inches of snow, a few dyno pulls, lots of Dr. Pepper, and a psuedo migraine later, I'm ready to talk about this car. I've had a lot of chances to push it to the limit and have fun with it.
There are so many things to say about this car and some of it will be review, but I'll start at the top: South Coast Mitsubishi. Sam at South Coast rocks. He's honest, hard working, and generally just cool to deal with. He picked me up at the airport, which was very nice. They already had the deal pretty much done from the day before on the phone, so all I had to do was come in, sign the papers, and drive the car out. I got the car for a few dollars over invoice, got a good interest rate, put a few grand down, and was on my way. They were more than happy to clean it up, but it was raining and I wanted to peel the vinyl and plastic off myself. There is a reason to go to South Coast: Its cheaper than anywhere else in the country, and they give you great service. I don't know any better compliment to bestow on Sam and crew, so I'll stop there.
Lets get the negatives out of the way first. Here's my suck-list:
The interior sucks. Its not the absolute worst, but the competition has it whipped in spades. Granted, the Evo is an unapologetic weekend track toy that is licensed for use on the street, so if you only care about the interior, you probably should buy something else. The plastics used on the dash are really low grade and cheap. The fabric on the seats is much lower quality than what they used on the IX. There is a general low rent touch to most of the controls. I am noticing this because I came out of a BMW. This interior isn't Pontiac Grand Prix crappy, but its infinitely worse than what they are using in a modern 3 series.
The radio sucks. There, I said it. I have an SSS package car, and although it was easily worth its cost for the HIDs and the spoiler, the stereo is not a reason to buy this package. There are some very good factory stereos out there. Case in point? The Logic7 in my 335i made this Rockford Fosgate look like a Kraco radio from the 80s. Sirius is a bit silly, so I'm glad it was free for six months. It sounds very compressed and low quality compared to a CD, and is kind of like listening to MP3s ripped at 64kbps.
The gearing sucks. Its just way too short. The IX gearing was better, but honestly give me VIII gears with a IX 5th and I'd be so happy. Thank goodness this car is more focused on handling, because it will never be a drag racing rockstar since it doesn't attain a very high speed in 4th gear. Unless it can be revved really deep, running elevens on the stock turbo in this car will be the epitome of challenge. Fuel economy is effected by this too. I struggled to hit 23mpg in Texas driving back on flat roads with cruise control (after the engine had 1000 miles on it). The EPA sticker says 16 city, 22 highway. Yikes! This also translates to a bit too much cabin noise, especially on the interstate. Drive faster that 70mph, and it gets a bit loud because of the RPM. When you shut the door on a 3series, you shut the world outside and have nothing to bother you.
The extra weight is a little disheartening. Although you won't feel it in the way the car handles, there is no denying it is there, as acceleration, the aforementioned fuel economy, and braking all suffer because of this. I am all for a lightweight car. A 3500 pound car is just too heavy. A 3500 pound four cylinder is just plain wrong.
The gearbox is notchy and maybe even a little bit crunchy. There are people online already complaining about having a second gear grind. I have a second and third gear notch at upshift if I don't shift slowly or rev the car to close to 4000rpm. In downshifting or in spirited driving, this issue does not exist. With what is supposed to be a better transmission, these things should not be happening in my opinion. I'm a 34 year old dad, and I haven't abused this car a lick.
In typical Evo fashion, this car still has the turning radius of a school bus.
So after all that, it sounds like I hate the car, right? Not so. I'm just trying to give you all a very comprehensive review after putting 2500 miles on it. Here are some of the good things:
The seats are great. The fabric covering them is not the best, but the comfort and bolstering they provide is just phenomenal. I'll go one step further and say they are the best stock seats I've ever used in a car.
I think the steering ratio is an improvement. Its still wicked fast, but the darty edge of it that put it a little too far over the top is gone. You won't have to worry about ending up in a guardrail if you sneeze anymore.
The crazy driveline thrash of the Evo VIII and IX from light throttle in first gear is gone. This car is a lot more civilized in that regard.
Power delivery is nice, but a bit boring with the weight. You saw my dyno a few posts back- its fat, but offers lackluster peak numbers in stock form.
The place this car really just obliterates the IX is the chassis. Its ridiculous good. I know I keep saying it, but this car is screwed together so much better than the older Evos, that its worth lifting them from their graves for a chance to point and laugh. It rides over bumps so much better than the IX, and almost none of the road harshness reaches the wheel. What does reach the wheel is enough feedback to take over the tarmac. You feel like you can correct your line within a couple of millimeters to clip a tiny pebble in the middle of a tire if you wanted to.
But by far the best part of this new car is the fact it get all this and SAYC. I have never had SAYC, and it really truly is the best thing I have ever seen in a turbo AWD performance car. Remember that stupid understeer the Evo VIII and IX had? GONE. Period. In fact, switch all the traction nannies off, but the SAYC remains. And then you can provoke the car into oversteer. I'm not talking about a little bit of throttle on oversteer like an Evo IX with a nice thick rear bar. I'm talking about dori-dori-throw-the-back-end-of-the-car-out-be-careful-or-you-might-crap-your-pants-while-looking-like-a-rear-wheel-drive-ninja oversteer. I hit one of my favorite corners near my home with the traction nannies turned off at about 95% and had to majorly correct the yaw control bit so hard. I think I scared the crap out of the person behind me with them watching the rear end whip around. If that didn't assure them I was nuts, the maniacal laughter and rejoicing that ensued after more than certainly did the trick. Make no mistake, this little beeotch is the best handling car we've had in this country in this segment by a longshot. I'm far from a great driver, but I can't find the limit. You push it further and further and the car just laughs at it and gobbles up more road.
The new Advans are better than the old ones as I mentioned, and the brakes are still great.
I love the styling everywhere except the front from a profile angle. I'm sure I'll get used to it.
This car is not as good of a commuter car as the 335i was, but it a lot more fun (and capable) when driving fast.
If handling was what sucked you into your VIII or IX and 4G63 drag racing heritage is not your thing, run to a dealership and put your name in the hat for an X. Its infinitely better at carving up the twisty sections of road and you won't regret it one bit.
Wow, looks like you need to go back to your BMW. All I can say is wow. After speaking with a couple of people about the car, (which they own) you bring up some interesting points. I have a question for you. Why did you buy this car? Honestly, mid life crises? Feeling to old in the bmw? Not trying to bash you, you did a great review of the car. Heres my compaints about what you posted. Granted Ive sat, and driven and X two days ago. So its still pretty fresh in my head.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
I think he's dead-on comparing it to his BMW. Mitsu has announced several times that they were specifically targeting buyers who have the 3-series, A4, G35, C-class, TSX on their shopping list.
If the Evo X doesn't live up to some of the qualities of those cars, than it sounds like Mitsubishi missed their mark. But, at the same time, the Evo X outperforms these cars in some areas.
If the Evo X doesn't live up to some of the qualities of those cars, than it sounds like Mitsubishi missed their mark. But, at the same time, the Evo X outperforms these cars in some areas.
Last edited by atombomb33; Jan 31, 2008 at 01:18 PM.
i didnt look through this whole thread, so i dont know if this was brought up...
but bmw/audi has a curb weight of 3850–4050 compared to the "fat" x at 3300
so interior and road noise could have been dampened at a price. im sure the evo would have still out handled them with that weight, but no one would have been happy about it.
everything has a price... more fun to drive or more fun to sit in.
but bmw/audi has a curb weight of 3850–4050 compared to the "fat" x at 3300
so interior and road noise could have been dampened at a price. im sure the evo would have still out handled them with that weight, but no one would have been happy about it.
everything has a price... more fun to drive or more fun to sit in.
Wow, looks like you need to go back to your BMW. All I can say is wow. After speaking with a couple of people about the car, (which they own) you bring up some interesting points. I have a question for you. Why did you buy this car? Honestly, mid life crises? Feeling to old in the bmw? Not trying to bash you, you did a great review of the car. Heres my compaints about what you posted. Granted Ive sat, and driven and X two days ago. So its still pretty fresh in my head.
LOL, This is so funny on so many different levels, I can't wait to see Noize's response.
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Wow, looks like you need to go back to your BMW. All I can say is wow. After speaking with a couple of people about the car, (which they own) you bring up some interesting points. I have a question for you. Why did you buy this car? Honestly, mid life crises? Feeling to old in the bmw? Not trying to bash you, you did a great review of the car. Heres my compaints about what you posted. Granted Ive sat, and driven and X two days ago. So its still pretty fresh in my head.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
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Whats so funny? Whats the different levels, that its soo funny on. The fact is, Mitsu made the car a little nicer, redesigning the exterior so it doesnt look like an econo box. Regardless what mitsubishi says......people that are buying the BMW's are looking for a differerent type of car. Can you picture a older couple taking a look a nice 3 series. "Hey honey, wow this a nice car, love the heated seats, love the cooled cup holders, great look to the car, but hold on lets go over to the mitsubishi dealership to check out that new evo" Ummm no. The fact is that 99% of the people that purchase BMW's are not sport car fanatics. Sure there are a small ammount of people that rock the 335i, and M series, but in no way should those cars be a comparison to the evo. I am sorry, Mitsu doesnt have the brand name of companies like BMW, LEXUS, ACURA, MERCEDES....ect. Mitsu may say they are trying to target a wider range of people, to which the X does. But by no means is the evo a competitor of the 335i or any other BMW or luxury car for that matter. People need to get off the high horse of, the X being all luxury. It really isnt. It is just that the IX and prevous evos were basically street legal race cars. Very thin sheet metal on the doors, lack of safty, boy racer looks, eco box. Which was great. But by bumping the X up as far as the looks, and overall niceness of the car, does not mean its luxury car. It means the car grew up, and mitsu doesnt want 16-24 year old just buying the car. They want a guy like NOIZE, to purchase the car, and not be embarrassed to drive it. So if poeple are expecting to get into the car and be overwhelmed with luxury, because it has navi, and cruise controll, you are going to be very disapointed. These are things that most of all cars have now, that are not classifed as luxury. Its still a evo, yes it has increased in price, but not really that much. A full loaded IX was just a tad bit less expensive then the X. This makes me soo mad. I swear its like the blind leading the blind on this web site. If you want good reviews that targets most of the enthusiest needs and wants look at reivew by APG, vivid...ect. You dont see them talking about the stitching on the seets, or the wide turning radius, or the road noise, or the sound system. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A LUXURY CAR, WITH A REALLY NICE INTERIOR, QUALITY LEATHER, GREAT TURING RADIUS, AND A DRIVER SEAT THAT BASICALLY WILL GIVE YOU A FULL BODY MASSAGE, THEN GO GET A BIMMER, AND STOP COMPARING THE TWO CARS!
Wow, looks like you need to go back to your BMW. All I can say is wow. After speaking with a couple of people about the car, (which they own) you bring up some interesting points. I have a question for you. Why did you buy this car? Honestly, mid life crises? Feeling to old in the bmw? Not trying to bash you, you did a great review of the car. Heres my compaints about what you posted. Granted Ive sat, and driven and X two days ago. So its still pretty fresh in my head.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
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I AGREE 100%you know MITSU came with a car which is not made of thin metal sheet like IX has side airbags, navi, AWD, still weigh less than any competetive sedan and sprints 0-60 in less than 5 sec and still failed to satisfy some folks.
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I'm going to ask that we keep the topic on the "attributes" of the X and not take sidebar discussions and this thread to a comparo of a BMW and Evo X. Seth has owned more Evo's that most on this forum and his reference to the Beamer seems natural as it was his previous car. Asta4125, please start a separate thread for a detailed critique of Seth's comments. Thanks.
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i think some of the things Asta said are unwarranted. Noize actually owns the Evo 10 and in some ways the Evo 10 should be compared to the BMWs and the Audis since Mitsu has said they wanted to lure would-be Audi/BMW/Infiniti buyers.
Also, Noize wanted to give us the cold hard truth, there was no sugar coating BS in his review and I respect him for that. Remember he bought the car because it was the next iteration of the Evo, only a little bit more refined, but still had the same Evo feel. Besides, a lot of the things Noize discussed in his review, most of us already knew about, such as the quality of the interior, and the weight. I really was a bit surprised at his thoughts on the radio, I thought the upgraded Rockford Fosgate system would be great.
one more thing I'd like to add, most of the haters can't btch and moan about the pricing since the Evo X GSR is around 33 grand and the Evo X MR is now said to be around 36 grand ---- which was around the same msrp of the Evo 9 MR, if I'm not mistaken.
btw, the Evo X MR is suppose to have a lot more sound deadening so the road noise should be reduced significantly at higher speeds.
Also, Noize wanted to give us the cold hard truth, there was no sugar coating BS in his review and I respect him for that. Remember he bought the car because it was the next iteration of the Evo, only a little bit more refined, but still had the same Evo feel. Besides, a lot of the things Noize discussed in his review, most of us already knew about, such as the quality of the interior, and the weight. I really was a bit surprised at his thoughts on the radio, I thought the upgraded Rockford Fosgate system would be great.
one more thing I'd like to add, most of the haters can't btch and moan about the pricing since the Evo X GSR is around 33 grand and the Evo X MR is now said to be around 36 grand ---- which was around the same msrp of the Evo 9 MR, if I'm not mistaken.
btw, the Evo X MR is suppose to have a lot more sound deadening so the road noise should be reduced significantly at higher speeds.
Last edited by cksdayoff; Jan 31, 2008 at 02:32 PM.
Feeling to old in the bmw? Not trying to bash you, you did a great review of the car. Heres my compaints about what you posted. Granted Ive sat, and driven and X two days ago. So its still pretty fresh in my head.
1. The interior. This is not a BMW. This is an evo, and its mitsubishi, what do you expect? Its a massive improvment over the 8 and 9. Like you said if you buy the car for this reason then you have the wrong car.
Of course I didn't buy this Evo or the other two before it for their luxurious interiors. I bought them because the fact that its the most focused driver's car in its price range by a good margin.
2. The radio sucks? Are you kidding me. Your 335i as well as most of all german made cars have really really bad stock systems. Everyone knows this. They have no base what so ever. If you have ever been to europe, then you should know that people over there dont listen to pounding base like we do. Hence their sound systems are all about acoustics, not mid, or base.
3. The gearing sucks? Looks pretty close to what the IX was as far as trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Granted it traps a little bit lower, but thats due to the increase in weight. However the gearing in the IX wasnt to great as well.
4. Cabin noise??? Are you kidding me...The X is soooooo much quieter then the IX, its amazing. But I guess it doesnt compare to your BMW.
5. Gas mileage, 23 is decent highway mpgs, 16 mpg is if you dont know how to drive without spooling the turbo.
6. 3500 pounds is alot, but it doesnt seem to be effecting the car as much as people thought, still does mid 13 second 1/4 mile, and handles on a dime?
7. The notchy gearing has alot to due with a brand new trans. I had the same deal in my civic, for about 5000 miles, and it went away. And honda makes the best trannys.
8. Turning radius of a school bus, Well I guess you wanted to be able to bust a U, on a two lane road without backing up. Doesnt work like that, when you have a very responsive steering rack with awd, turning radius gets effected. But I guess Mitsu should have taken that into consideration, when they built the car.
9. The fabric on the seats, isnt the best. But its most def not bad. THIS IS A MITSUBISHI, not an acura, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes, so obvously there are going to things about the car that are not going to mee the expections of someone comming from owning a 50k BMW.
Seems to me that you are looking for qualities in this car, that will never be true. You keep comparing the car to your BMW. Which should never be done. You talk about things that well, are not what the evo is about. Yes the car a little bit more refined. But its still an evo. I really think the only thing that really set this car aside is the weight. With the increase in chasis strenght, and better crash rating, what would we expect. Bottom line its an evo. And if you bought this car, to talk about the fabric on the seats, the turnin radius, the stero, and the cabin noise. Then my friend you have bought yourself the wrong car. I am in no way arguing with you, or bashing your point of view. Its your opinion, and you can voice your opinon any which way you chose. But from what you posted, Man seems like you need to be in the luxury car world, and not the evo world.
Last edited by Noize; Feb 1, 2008 at 04:50 PM. Reason: fixed broken quote, added a bit
I'm going to ask that we keep the topic on the "attributes" of the X and not take sidebar discussions and this thread to a comparo of a BMW and Evo X. Seth has owned more Evo's that most on this forum and his reference to the Beamer seems natural as it was his previous car. Asta4125, please start a separate thread for a detailed critique of Seth's comments. Thanks.
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I did not see this until after my reply. I tried my best to do as you guys are asking and not be too inflamatory. If any part of my reply is too aggressive, feel free to delete it! Have a great night.
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Your comments are fine. This thread is a great review of a new model and direction by Mitsu. I can't think of of a better way to review it than drive it cross country. I would like it to stay that way for the benefit of our readers. 
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I think this is a great review of a car that I have a deposit on and I value the real world driving conditions that the review stems from. I now have a deeper understanding of a car that so far, has only been written about and driven on a track. And it will help in my final decision whether to complete the purchase or not which will be extremely valuable to me.
My gratitude for taking the time to help us all understand this car better.
My gratitude for taking the time to help us all understand this car better.