Trunk in the Evo X
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Oh, take your pick. I'll take the rear diff.
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All I'm saying is that i'm sure there would be ways around it. I just think that by NOT having the ability to fold down the seats and expand the space of a pretty small trunk you (as a manufacturer) are limiting your sales.
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Daily driver?
For a car that is touted as being a better daily driver, not having fold-down seats is definitely a problem, especially if this will be your only car. Why can't I have a high performance car with versatility at the same time? I play hockey, surf, and snowboard - 3 simple things I won't be able to use my car to do. I could buy roof racks for the latter two, but this definitely cuts back on its daily driveability. It's not like it's a Ferrari...it's a sedan. I guess I'm just surprised that in Mitsubishi's attempt to enter the mass market, it didn't include this feature.
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Intersting.
Well, that is one point I can honestly say I never knew about the VIII/IX's.
Unfortunatley, thats also the reason why I never ended up buying a WRX/STI...they have the same PROBLEM.
Hopefully they (being Mitsu) didn't design the new Ralliart with the same flaw.
Well, that is one point I can honestly say I never knew about the VIII/IX's.
Unfortunatley, thats also the reason why I never ended up buying a WRX/STI...they have the same PROBLEM.
Hopefully they (being Mitsu) didn't design the new Ralliart with the same flaw.
It's not a problem or flaw. The evo is truely rally inspired and bred to be as close to a street legal race car as you can get for under $35k. It's a car designed for still a niche market of enthusiasts. With the X mitsu did compromise a bit to make it more of a daily driver and to move it upscale in the market to a more mature demographic. But it's still bred from a racecar. They needed structural rigidity. So they have an Xbrace there to really complete the chassis. As mentioned before, there are other ways of doing this but with the AWD system underneath and various other components. This would be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish this. You guys really don't want to price to come up any more do you?
The brace is part of the design, i would in no way consider it a flaw or problem. Your perspective is skewed. If you want something to carry your cargo, get a hatch, get an R32 or an STI.
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For a car that is touted as being a better daily driver, not having fold-down seats is definitely a problem, especially if this will be your only car. Why can't I have a high performance car with versatility at the same time? I play hockey, surf, and snowboard - 3 simple things I won't be able to use my car to do. I could buy roof racks for the latter two, but this definitely cuts back on its daily driveability. It's not like it's a Ferrari...it's a sedan. I guess I'm just surprised that in Mitsubishi's attempt to enter the mass market, it didn't include this feature.
Hockey sticks would be your only inconvenience. But seriously a majority of the people buying cars don't all play hockey. I also own a civic and have only used the fold down seats once since i bought it. I guess i just don't buy alot of large items for my apartment? All the furniture i've bought was either delivered or came in a box for me to assemble.
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You say it like it's a problem/Flaw? What?
It's not a problem or flaw. The evo is truely rally inspired and bred to be as close to a street legal race car as you can get for under $35k. It's a car designed for still a niche market of enthusiasts. With the X mitsu did compromise a bit to make it more of a daily driver and to move it upscale in the market to a more mature demographic. But it's still bred from a racecar. They needed structural rigidity. So they have an Xbrace there to really complete the chassis. As mentioned before, there are other ways of doing this but with the AWD system underneath and various other components. This would be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish this. You guys really don't want to price to come up any more do you?
The brace is part of the design, i would in no way consider it a flaw or problem. Your perspective is skewed. If you want something to carry your cargo, get a hatch, get an R32 or an STI.
It's not a problem or flaw. The evo is truely rally inspired and bred to be as close to a street legal race car as you can get for under $35k. It's a car designed for still a niche market of enthusiasts. With the X mitsu did compromise a bit to make it more of a daily driver and to move it upscale in the market to a more mature demographic. But it's still bred from a racecar. They needed structural rigidity. So they have an Xbrace there to really complete the chassis. As mentioned before, there are other ways of doing this but with the AWD system underneath and various other components. This would be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish this. You guys really don't want to price to come up any more do you?
The brace is part of the design, i would in no way consider it a flaw or problem. Your perspective is skewed. If you want something to carry your cargo, get a hatch, get an R32 or an STI.
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While I can understand the points you've made above supporting Mitsu's stance on the design of the X, I find some irony at the same time. As you alluded to, Mitsu is attempting to draw a larger audience to this version of the Evo, a more well-to-do demographic so to speak. I'd be willing to bet that many that belong in this targeted demographic will have an issue with this insanely tiny trunk. You know how finicky(sp?) American consumers are, especially ones with money and want everything in their car. I'd imagine having some decent cargo space is one of them. Everyone knows that Mitsu must sell a lot of the Evo X cars to help them over their slump in the industry. The company has been hurting for a long time and it seems that this newest iteration of the X is virtually a do-or-die situation. If they fail in selling this car in large quantities, it will spell trouble. Of course there will always be the niche markets and buyers that will welcome this car. Just keep in mind the choices available today (including the arch enemy Subaru with their STi) in this price range. Many German car snobs (including myself? ) will have a difficult time spending this kind of $$ and not getting certain amenities. Personally I like what I've seen so far as I did see many over at South Coast this past weekend, including the MR. IMHO this is a big step up from the previous generation and may finally sway me into seriously considering one. It remains to be seen for the mass population however.
The designers are not dumb. I'm sure they gave it alot of thought because some of the most common complaints of the previous evos was the trunk access and the lack of cruise control as well as noise and ride quality. Seems like they listened and accomodated what they could. Cruise control is now standard, noise is more dampened, ride quality improved. While they wanted to make it more accomodating of a daily driver, they don't want to go "toyota camry" on everyone and lose its race car heritage.
To actually make some money they will be releasing the ralliart which hopefully will be their "WRX". Who knows, they may or may not put a useable trunk in the ralliart. I'm willing to bet they'll ditch the Xbrace and move the coolant resevoir and battery off to the side of the trunk. Then put a pass through in.
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Really? I didn't know that. I thought the only basic option was going to be the Technology Package. Interesting. Personally I don't usually do sunroofs. In fact I've done sunroof deletes on my previous cars including B7 S4 and E46 M3. Lighter weight and cleaner look IMO.