Bah, they can say what they like, but the chassis of the RA is still stiffer than the IX and that's all that matters to me. The most important thing is that it has the same engine! The same engine means the same potential so as long as we can crack the code so to speak.

 

well... i'm not sure about that. I had and driven both lancer and evo IX. if you think you will feel anything close to the IX with the lancer or even a same /or some say more rigid /. Not to mention the engine potential vs evolution you are delusional.
Many things you will need to change, just to get to the factory level evo .
It will be a same as a WRX and STi.
WRX will never be a same as the STI. SO the ralliart vs EVO. Period.

 

Actually, the Lancer does exceed in the chassis then the IX and that is with all of the IX's structural enhancements.
That has beed said in countless reviews.
I agree to that.
Aside from that, that's it.
The chassis is far superior then the IX.

The engine, well...it's nothing compared to the IX.

 

yes they saying is much more rigid and i believe it, although you dont feel it. just drive the IX and hop in the lancer and take it around ....
Then get out from the car and say it in honest face , yes it is more rigid and i feel it.

So what i'm saying is, wont matter how much more rigid is the lance body , the driving feeling in the car is not even close /i'm not talking about power/

who ever dreamed up, you feel how much more rigid is a lancer body...
I heard it many many times from lancer guys of course. Those guys are delusional in a big time.
Some of them even think, they GTS are just as good as the EVO IX in turns because the more rigid body... they even say its a same body as a X just different fenders and hood

oh yeah i find interesting people in the car meets, or better like this , they find me...

 

I think it's because that the power for the IX vs Lancer is going to come up with different results on the chassis.

If the Lancer had any power close to the IX, i think that it would come out different.

What's nice to hear, is although the GTS has a great chassis, some drivers who tested the R/A says it's even more rigid then the GTS.
Which is food for thought.

Even when they said that the R/A has some body roll. Gotta be the additional weight being pushed by more power causing excessive lean.

But, who knows until the R/A actually gets here.

Well the suspension on the X vs the GTS are far different. There is a few other structural enhancements on the X over the GTS. There is the X brace behind the back seats to start on the X causing a non - 60-40 folding on the back seat whereas the GTS and R/A will have a 60/40 back seats.
If that makes sense.

 

Can't believe this is even a discussion. X MR FTW... In the end the Ralliart is not an Evo... so it comes down to taste and how much you are welling to $$$$. Just like a WRX & STI.

 

I can understand where you guys are coming from. But do keep in mind that this RA has more in common with the Evo than any other RA before it. The biggest things that made an Evo an Evo was the chassis stiffening, engine, AWD, and quick ratio steering. In the new RA you basically get 3 out of those 4 (no quick steering). The chassis is stiffer than the Evo IX, a detuned engine is from the Evo X, and AWD from an Evo IX. I think that the RA definitely has potential.

 

it is not just a detuned engine. it has smaller single scroll turbo, and smaller intercooler. different intake system, I dont know about the fuel pump and the injectors or any interior difference yet.
But i wouldn't be surprised if it will be.
Anyway just with the tune you will not make a same power band or hp . There for is not just a detuned engine. Yes i has a same name 4B11T . But it is a turbo charged lancer engine, not a smaller turbo Evo engine. This is my understanding.
the chassis is not as rigid as a evo X , so it is a difference still, the X is on wider track also to make a difference bigger. The AWD is completely different from racing point of view from the X. The steering is not a quick ratio steering what the evo X has. ETC.
So i dont know how the 3 out of 4 comes out.

 

go gsr the mr is too heavy and you really launch the car using the sst

 

Everything you mentioned I already listed in my OP and can be changed. There's no reason you couldn't swap the parts off an Evo X. So as long as some engine tuning method comes up which I'm sure will come in due time. And no, you're wrong about it having a turbo'ed lancer engine. The Lancer gets the 2.0L NA 4B11 without the strong internals. This is the exact same engine as in the Evo X. Internals are identical! You get the Mahle pistons from the Evo X and every other forged internal part there is.

The RA does get a the 4B11T with just the detuned additions listed in my OP. This is of course all hearsay until somebody rips an RA engine part and checks out the internals, but this my understanding from the many articles that I have read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...1_engine#4B11T

Here is the gist of it. The RA is the car to have it you plan to mod; the MR if you plan to just drive it the way it is.

 

Why would you want a ralliart if you have a evo ix? you said it has the same awd system as the ix. you have a ix. and not to mention a 4g63...

 

I want the newer technology that comes with the newer model. This explanation doesn't belong in this thread so I will keep it short. I'm selling my daily driver since it broke down; Evo was my weekend car. Now I'm forced to drive it daily. I know it's a great car, but I've way over modified it for daily driving. I also have decided to stick with only one car for now so it must be utilitarian in design in order to drive it every day. I much look forward to the digital dash, FAST key, Bluetooth, and especially the TC-SST in the RA at the price point it is at. I can't wait for the Sportback to come out as my next car will definitely be a wagon type of vehicle.

Moving from a IX to an RA might not make sense to many people, but it does in my particular situation.

 

My call is the RA. With the amount of buyers for this coming RA, i can almost be sure that the aftermarket support for it will not be any less than the EVO. Also, i think without the AYC, it might be a good thing. To the purist, Evo X is too electronically controlled (GSR or MR), hence the RA drivetrain will be more satisfying to those purist. Just like how people regards the Evo 6.5 TME as the best evo ever.

The only problem i see in RA, is the skinny tyres and brakes. Chassis ragidity can be easily fixed with a few bracing without breaking your bank.

You guys in America are lucky to have those pricings. In Australia, the difference between a RA and a MR is like 30K AUD (or near 30 AUD since US dollar's almost 1:1 to us)

 

A Ralliart Colt owner. Nice! Actually lovecolt makes a good point about the lack of AYC. It is very common in Japan to disable the 8/9's AYC system since it was too pokey when working with an Evo making big power with an upgraded turbo. Of course this is a moot point since the limiting factor now is how much power the TC-SST can hold. I personally like the AWD system in the IX and am glad the RA gets the same system.

I think it is safe to say that the X can do the things it can even with the added weight due to the S-AWC system. Put an older system on the newer body, ala RA, and of course it will suck. Do some suspension and tire mods to it and it will surely shine.

 

so when you swap the turbo and the intake and the intercooler + tune how much you actually will spend a still lesser car?
The question is:
If you need a Evo performance why would you buy something to being still less, then the evo X after the power mods?

Certainly you will not be at a same whp level after only tune vs evo X with only tune.
We can agree on that one at least right?
And you will still lacking in handling.

And the ralliart will have a sst transmission, tuned for the 235 hp and around 250 tq car...
wich means will be around 200-210 whp and 230-240 wtq.
The other question is, this is a same SST what the evo got with the same SST computer tune?
So there is alots of if yet.
End of the day it will be same as the STI VS WRX debate.
You can make it faster but wich one would you buy for racing? Honestly.