20k over is pretty good.. 10k would be awsome... i've seen them in the 50-60k over. that was last month havent looked at them lately

 

Good luck with the GTR. But what happens if your EVO X outperforms the GTR? I think this will be the case especially with the mod's you have made to the X. If you think you can do same to the GTR, be prepared for a lot of work and $$$ for Nissan has locked down this car so aftermarket tune with be very, very difficult. My prediction: as with Noize you will be back; it is just a question of when.

Later, Ken

 

It's not possible for EVO X to outperform GTR. I've seen GTR run 1.55 at Button Willow with stock tires. The best I've ran with my EVO X at Button willow was 2.01 on slicks. Much as I love the EVO X, it's not in the same category as GTR. I know it's difficult to hear for many of you, but it's the truth.

All GTR needs is set of light wheels and slicks, and it's going to be fastest car at any track any day.

 

The GTR that ran the Nurrburgring was NOT a production vehicle but rather a prototype that weighed in at hundreds of pounds less than the production car yeilding the relatively fast lap times. What has this got to do with Button Willow, you ask? Perhaps the GTR you saw at Button Willow was a similar preproduction model that weighed some ~500lbs less than 4000lbs. So are you certain the GTR you saw run 1.55 was, in fact, the 4000lbs production model? Even if it was, T3/T4 turbo, cams, injectors and fuel pump+tune will certainly achieve sufficient horsepower to weight in the X to make it difficult to call as to which car will be the best performer for clearly Mitsu SAWD set up was developed specifically for rally racing viz., the twisty's while the GTR more for high speed circuits. Additionally, your X with its mod's can easily acquire more whp while the GTR is effectively static at OEM hardware and software/ECU because Nissan doesn't want anybody messing with their "pride and joy".

Later, Ken

 

Those 2 statements alone (especially the last one) makes you lose any, if not all credibility..

It's going to be the fastest car at any track, any day?? you can't be serious, with a statement like that...

I mean congrats on the fact that you have the financial means to secure a GTR, but it's not by any means the be all end all magic car... it's not going to be lapping gt2's or ACR's (just to name 2) heck even in a straight line it's not that fast outa the box.

There's always someone faster... unless your name is (i dunno), robby gordon or mario andretti??

p.s. nice times & nice pics... I don't mean to flame... but seriously... :P

 

I was just embellishing my point when I said "GTR is going to be the fastest car any track any day." I really meant to say "My GTR is going to be the fastest car at any track any day." HAHAHA. People who know me and seen me at track events can vouch for my credibility.

1.55 at Button Willow was done by Steve Millen (one of my close friend works at his shop Stillen), and that car did weight 4100 lbs with Steve inside the car and it dynoed at 420 whp.

As far as comparison with Porche GT2 and Viper ACR, I really believe that if GTR had equivalent tires as those two cars, it would have done much better in the comparison test performed by Road and Track.

HERE IS MY MAIN POINT:
Forget what you read in magazines, and forget the statistics. In order to drive fast at any track is to be confident of your vehicles ability. I've driven a 2004 GT2, and I just don't have the ***** to go all out in that. On the other hand, my sister could drive the GTR and kick the sh*t out my EVO X.

 

Now the BS is flowing!! Let's look at the facts:
(1) While you may consider yourself a great driver, you are no Steve Millen. A true comparison would have Steve drive your EVO X and see what his ET is; I suspect, no I know, it would be < yours.
(2) At 4100 lbs (my god that thing is fat) and 420 whp, the projected ET in the 1320 is 12.45 sec. With an EVO X weighing in at 3400lbs (RobiSpec suspension), it would require only 348 whp to match the GTR's projected ET. There are a number of EVO X that exceed this figure.
(3) On one of the threads someone has added a turbo>OEM with some associated externals but OEM internals and has turned 11's in the 1320
(4) This is opinion at this point but I feel confident that X AWD system is superior to the GTR's.
Bottom Line there is no way that GTR stock will outperform a reasonably modified X.

Later, Ken

PS: Before I sold my X I would give some serious thought to the above and plough the $90K you are hoping to fork out into something that will be a better track car.

 

I don't disagree with your logic there. It really makes sense theoretically. Based on my track experience with my EVO X, I have a pretty good idea of the limitation of the car. I've ran 1:15.7 at Cal Speedway, by the way Steve Millen was at the track event too with his Ford GT. If you go to motorsportslens.com, it's the orange Ford GT.

Here is my estimate on how I can improve my time:

Improvement in driving skill: 1:15
Hoosier R6: 1:14
Additional 100 WHP: 1:12.5
Aero Parts (more down force) 1:11.5
Gut everything (drop 300 lbs) 1:10

And here is my estimate of what I think GTR can run:

Stock: 1:11
Hoosier R6: 1:09
And theoretical 700 whp gutted out car: 1:03

That's why I'm getting the GTR, and I'll be waiting for EVO X owners at the track.

P.S. I can't believe you would say things like "Now the BS is flowing" when I went out and represented EVO Xs for all you guys. That's messed up.

 

Well it almost sounded as if you were claiming a stock GTR would beat any fully road race prepared Evo X that spent the same total amount of money. Seriously if you spent that much money on an X track car it would have 800 WHP and be 500 lbs lighter than stock. SO at that point a 12 sec quarter mile GTR versus a sub 10 sec capable track car with full race suspension. We'll even throw in the light wheels and slicks and I would have to say the modifed X would be a bit faster...

 

If anyone is meesed up, I suggest you look in the mirror. Why did you buy the X, spent significant change modifying it, run it at the track, get beaten by a better driver in the GTR and then proceed to conclude the X is the problem, and then dump the X for the supposed better track car, the GTR. I wish I had the bucks to jump ship like you did which, of course, is your right BUT to state that the X in modified form could never match the OEM GTR is clearly debatable at best. As your earlier post states the Porshe GT2 can outperform the GTR but you would not get one because "I don't have the *****" to drive it that hard. So, in effect, you are buying a lesser car vis., the GTR because of your poor driving skills. Since $$$ is not your concern, spend some of those $$$ for driving school so you can drive the GT2 and when you have reacquired your "*****" go buy the GT2.

Later, Ken

 

Ehh... Chill out. It's his money and his life.

The GTR is a nice car but to me I can't ever see it as a track car without some serious work. Maybe it's still new to me but how did they get passed the ECU limitations?

 

Exactly...dude chill out. I never said GT2 is a better car than GTR. GTR is a way better car. You really seem genuinely upset at how I spend my money on my cars. I've never met anyone like you in this forum.

 

OK... that's fair sorry if I started the flamefest... but even you've gotta admit it was kinda a cocky statement... I just didn't detect your embellishment or sarcasm... so my bad for that.... I've driven/owned a fair share of fast cars and I'll agree the magazine numbers don't mean jack... so we're pretty much in agreement on everything...

As for the other guys flaming away for no apparent reason.... he's right... you guys do need to chill out ...... dudes seriously.... turn that frown upside down..

and on that note... I'm going to go fire up my evo <smiles>

 

Thanks Bud! Go on and enjoy your EVO X.

 

first off....your a moron

have fun in your gay automatic GTR

and now to make you look dumb:

the GTR ran a 1.55 at buttonwillow stock?

wow!! omgzzz!!!

there are s2000's with STOCK motors (240hp) running buttonwillow in 1:56-1:58

thats right, a rwd, 4 cylinder, without FI, running right behind your gay GTR

imagine it with slicks and boost

and the GTR is not all its cracked up to be either. You will see that when you blow your money on one.

id rather an EVO with 420whp and suspension and aero over an automatic 4000lb computerized 90,000 dollar ***** on wheels