sorry im drunk, ignore me

 

Yeah, you are right. If a guy wants to sell his vehicle that has a better platform than the one he is buying AND he has to shell out an additional $90K to do it, then what the hell, he can do it. It is a free country. What I object to is the rational behind the decision which is totally flawed and when someone says, "There is no way an EVO X can beat a GTR" I , for one, cannot be silent.

One of the main functions of EVOm is to provide information exchange and advise so other members can benefit and not make the same mistakes. I have tried, in my own way, to provide such advise to Joo-Joo regarding his dismissal of the X for the GTR; perhaps he will reconsider.

Later, Ken

PS: As some of you may be aware AMS is entering a modified X in Sport Compact's contest for the best street vehicle; Hopefully an 09 GTR will enter and then we can all see the results!

 

You're on a car forum which has a population of 80,000 people about 10% of those people are willing to mod their cars way before paying for their mortgages or loans. Where's the rational in that? If he has big pockets (which he might) then he can do pretty much what he can within his financial abilities. A lot of the times, here, advice is very biased and often strays from actual sense. Judging the OP and calling him irrational doesn't make you look any better.

I'm on here because I love my Evo and other Evo's in general. It's sad to lose a fellow Evo driver to another car. You just need to accept his choices in life because until you actually pay for his Evo or provide this person with financial support, it really isn't your right to judge someone by saying their irrational because they want another car.

I don't think you're really understanding the OP's point. He wants the GTR because you don't really have to modify it to make it go fast. The Evo X is a different story. how can you compare a street car to a purpose built race car? They're two totally different cars, it also doesn't mean you can compare the platforms to see which one is better because that's still pretty much impossible. If you're doing it for bragging rights then that's a totally different story that won't last very long anyway.

 

If I had the money, I would also buy a GTR over an Evo X. Thats just facts... but I still love Evos for their ability to bring us close to super car status.

I am sure when he buys this car, we will see what kind of track times he really gets.

 

I can't believe this thread has turn into this EVO X vs. GTR. I was really exagerating my point when I said "there is no way EVO X can beat a GTR.". Let's leave it at that. And maybe start another thread that can discuss why people who leave their EVO X for a GTR are idiots. The purpose of this thread was to celebrate and share my EVO X's awesome track performance. So if you guys don't mind, let's stick to that topic. Thanks.

Jason
Aka: Moron who prefer GTR over EVO X

 

I am not in this debate at all but I just wanted to let you know that our EVO X will be competing against a GTR in the USCC Event this week. I will not be able to post results but the magazine will when it comes out.

Eric

 

i like the GTR a lot

 

Cool. I've seen your timeattack car at Buttonwillow last year, that thing is a monster. Which shop is bringing the GTR? Would your turbo kit be on your EVO X?

 

Now assuming the GTR will be an 09, then I say, Yeessssss! We will have the opportunity to see an OEM GTR, which will always be the case because they are completely locked up, against a modified AMS X. If the AMS EVO X has at least 348whp, similar suspension as Robispec yeilding ~3400lbs car as per above posts, then we will see which car outperforms the other.

For me, one of the reasons I bought the X is because I firmly believe this car at ~$35K is better, after some mild mods, than $70K cars like the GTR and even higher so callled exotic cars e.g., the english FQ 340 EVO X was just a fraction of a second behind a ZONDA which costs in excess of $160K. Unbelievable but true.

Later, Ken

 

FYI... My car weights 3800 lbs with me inside with full tank of fuel(that was the weight when Robi corner balanced it). I wish it was 3400 lbs. And Mines has already cracked the ECU and tuned a GTR.

I don't think comparing stock GTR to AMS EVO X is a good comparison. Seriously, how many of us has the time and resources to build our EVO X to a level a multi-million dollar shop can. Maybe Mines' GTR vs. AMS EVO X....

Even at this stage, my car spends more time at a shop getting something fixed than sitting in my garage.

And the whole myth about not being able modify the GTR is BS. If you don't care about warranty, which I don't, you can easily modify the GTR.

As I said before, I was embellishing my point of view when I stated that no EVO X can beat the GTR.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful response. That said, I think you have missed the point. If one wants to discard his/her car because of the desire for a different color or body style, such choices are subjective and, therefore, a personal choice. Such choices cannot be debated or questioned like a painting which you may think is awful while another may view it a piece of art. Joo-Joo, as I read his posts is not rejecting the EVO X for subjective reasons. Rather he believes, because of the track times that he posted for himself and Steve Millen, a race car driver, at Button that the OEM GTR can outperform any X (although now he has recanted and indicated same was an "embellishment"). That is, his decision is objective vis., without personel biase because, he believes the data cited objectively supports his decision to discard the X in favor of the GTR. So the initiation of all this has to do with the rational for his decision. It is not about whether one can compare the GTR to the X because one was designed toward a high speed racing circuit (Porshe 911 turbo) and the other for rally racing or that one should accept anothers decision or not. Rather, Joo-Joo made a decision based upon questionable data and then made some performance claims i.e., "bragging rights" which he has now backed off of.
Finally, every single driver compares their vehicles to others for an assortment of characteristics e.g., fuel economy, style, performance, etc. People who buy EVO's buy them primarily for performance and deep down in the privacy of their bathroom believe that their car, with a little aftermarket parts and tune, CAN ( and, as the historical record has documented, do so) outperform cars that were purpose built like the GTR,Porshe and Ferrari w/o spending 10's of thousands of dollars. This feeling and belief always comes to the forfront of my head when I see someone shelling out big $$$ for a so called "super car". I just chuckle and keep on movin'".

Later, Ken

 

Kperez your posts are to long to read, but you're on crack if you think a EVO X can take out a r35. And then your arguement went to a stock GTR v. Modded evo X which makes no sense. Try not to ruins someone's thread about his accomplishments into a debate.

Hopefully, it's Cobb's GTR AMS wil be competing with.

 

the problem is , the GT-R is an awesome car with a lots of potential.
Cost more? yes . Are you surprised? shouldn't be ,since the GT-R way more complex and better car then ours,period.
The X can be faster then a srock GT-R certainly. But the GT-R is a tuner car too. Just because right now they have issues to solve , that doesn't will change a bit. The Skyline is a tuner king.
And we all will bow front of him, thrust me. As soon as you will run into a modified GT-R with drivers with *****, you will understand what i'm talking about.

 

I agree , the EVO X is a great car but the GTR is an awesome car. As soon as they start modding the GTR, a modify EVO X will have no chance against a modify GTR . The GTR is a better platform for racing.

 

Felas, Some points: Obviously a mod'ed GTR vs a mod'ed EVO X i.e., a turbo I6 vs turbo I4 will result in the larger engine edging the smaller engine everything being equal. But the discussion was always focused on the 09 GTR in OEM trim vs a mod'ed EVO X and the threads above clearly document those comparisons. That said, it will be difficult, very difficult to get into the GTR ECU according to what I have read because Nissan does not want tuners in there and have added some difficult to crack incription. Now Joo-Joo says Mines has already tuned the 09 GTR but is a tune available now? Does Stillen have the ability to tune it? I think not. So this is the reason the focus was always directed to OEM 09 GTR vs mod'ed EVO X which is going to happen this month under the Sport Compact mag. umbrella; ignore the stupid contests and focus on performance events.

Later, Ken