**Evo X Track Times?**
well, a good launch would be in the 1.6-1.7 range, and as somebody else stated, if you're burning your clutch, it's your fault. are you using the 2 step when you launch?
new cluth FTW. ACT seens to make a good unit for the 10. They are a vendor here i think is ACTSALES or Sales@ACT good luck.
Stop blaming it on the driver when you have ACTUAL OWNERS of these cars telling you the X's clutch is absolute crap once its hot. Mario Andretti couldnt launch an X with a super hot clutch, it's that bad. And it only gets even worse when you mod the car and put even more power to it.
Yea I'm seeing a lot of bad driving .. the X is NOT slower by any means ..
I know of one with a chick driving that went 13.5 bone stock and 13.2 with an exhaust and a slipping clutch ..
I know of one with a chick driving that went 13.5 bone stock and 13.2 with an exhaust and a slipping clutch ..
My ACT clutch was ordered this afternoon, so I guess we'll have to see. So far all of my launches were on the 2 step where I would build 15 psi boost at the line and attempt to release it as quickly as possible. Every single time I could feel it spin to 7000 rpm's and fail to hold the full force of the launch despite the 1.8x short time. 2nd gear would do the same thing and spin to 7000 RPM's forcing me to let off again. 3rd would maybe hold if it was the first launch of the night although last trip to the track it spun badly and I had to abort the run.
The stock clutch just can't hold the power I was trying to force it to hold. There was no way on earth it was applying the full force of the engine until after 60 MPH so quarter mile times were bound to be lackluster.
The Evo 8 I had never was that unforgiving trying to launch off the 2 step, it wasn't exactly strong, but it wasn't nearly as pathetic as the stock Evo X has proved to be. It stunk whenever I did a spirited launch when the car was stock (2 step or not) and it's a royal stinker when you upgrade the power under the hood. I would imagine that if you never burned it up <ever> that it may hold up to mid 12 sec passes but that one time you over step it's limits it will send you home packin.
I'll let you guys fight it out as to why, but until I get the new clutch installed and broken in there's just no point speculating what it could or should do. I'll just have to prove what it CAN do.
The stock clutch just can't hold the power I was trying to force it to hold. There was no way on earth it was applying the full force of the engine until after 60 MPH so quarter mile times were bound to be lackluster.
The Evo 8 I had never was that unforgiving trying to launch off the 2 step, it wasn't exactly strong, but it wasn't nearly as pathetic as the stock Evo X has proved to be. It stunk whenever I did a spirited launch when the car was stock (2 step or not) and it's a royal stinker when you upgrade the power under the hood. I would imagine that if you never burned it up <ever> that it may hold up to mid 12 sec passes but that one time you over step it's limits it will send you home packin.
I'll let you guys fight it out as to why, but until I get the new clutch installed and broken in there's just no point speculating what it could or should do. I'll just have to prove what it CAN do.
Last edited by Hiboost; Aug 25, 2008 at 04:29 PM.
The clutch issue has been said about all evos and most people who launch correctly can last on a stock clutch a decent amount of time on previous evos.
Either way high 13 and low 14 seconds 1/4 times further prove driver error when magazines can hit low to mid 13s
Either way high 13 and low 14 seconds 1/4 times further prove driver error when magazines can hit low to mid 13s
I did pilot my Evo 8 SSL edition to 13.1 @ 105 stock which was one of the heavier models of the 8/9's. I also somehow managed to keep the stock clutch alive until 46k miles when I traded it in. When I say alive, it could barely hang on from any kind of spirited launch but it was still there and would recover after a cooloff period much better despite being modded to ~350 crank HP.
Are there drivers that should be doing better with their Evo's at the strip? Sure there are, but they aren't going to get better over night. I know in my case I can wish and pray to be a better driver so that the stock clutch holds better, but I can tell you it won't do any good with my particular car.
Are there drivers that should be doing better with their Evo's at the strip? Sure there are, but they aren't going to get better over night. I know in my case I can wish and pray to be a better driver so that the stock clutch holds better, but I can tell you it won't do any good with my particular car.
And it will continue to be said, but until all you evo 8 and 9 drivers launch a ten esp a one with mods you will continue to blame any driver even ones with experience. Im sorry but mitsu has outdone themselves with the X. The stock X clutch is absolute garbage and everyone needs to chill with the "your just not driving it right". I launched mine with stock with stock clutch- terrible, launched stock with mods- HORRENDOUS, launch now with mods and act clutch- poetry in motion
And it will continue to be said, but until all you evo 8 and 9 drivers launch a ten esp a one with mods you will continue to blame any driver even ones with experience. Im sorry but mitsu has outdone themselves with the X. The stock X clutch is absolute garbage and everyone needs to chill with the "your just not driving it right". I launched mine with stock with stock clutch- terrible, launched stock with mods- HORRENDOUS, launch now with mods and act clutch- poetry in motion
if there's any EVO X owner out there willing to let me drive their cars at the track please let me know. i'll be happy to take the chance to see if it really is the clutch, but i seriously doubt it is.
i agree with the other guy. i got 70k out of my stock clutch before it started slipping, and even then it only slipped slightly in 5th and 6th gears. i raced my car, had plenty of launches and autocrosses, and just my beat'em up style of driving and i NEVER had problems with that clutch. when i went to the drag strip for the first couple times i went 4 runs in a row. launched every time as hard as i could and the clutch held every run. in autocross i've had days that i couldn't stay for the whole event because of work, so i had to make 6 autocross runs one after another. the first two runs i had breaks waiting for other cars, but the last 4 were all in a row. i crossed the finish line and went str8 back to the start line. launched hard every run, and drove like a bat out of hell. my tires eventually over heated and i spun on the last run in a slalom, but the clutch was fine. i ended up winning that event by .05 seconds over a heavily modded STi
so all this crap about EVO's clutches not being good is just that...crap
if there's any EVO X owner out there willing to let me drive their cars at the track please let me know. i'll be happy to take the chance to see if it really is the clutch, but i seriously doubt it is.
if there's any EVO X owner out there willing to let me drive their cars at the track please let me know. i'll be happy to take the chance to see if it really is the clutch, but i seriously doubt it is.
I have owned all 3 and the X clutch is def. the worst. I am sorry but looking at your 60' times they really arent that good and also your trap indicates that your car isnt making all that much power over stock so for your clutch to last that long doesnt surprise me.
I have yet to see an official time below 13.5 for a stock X, as I believe that is the best it can do....on a good day! I can't get within 2-3 tenths of that either. I even had a 1.94 60', and couldn't get close to 13.5. With the right driver, a 1.8x 60' is possible, but tough.
I really don't think it has as much to do with the difference in clutch between the 8/9 to the X, as it does the added weight of the X. It's about 250lbs heavier, and getting that extra weight off the line seems to be a burden for the clutch. Remember, the clutch is designed to be the weakest link so you don't break other things like transmissions and transfer cases, so the clutch takes even more of a beating with the extra weight it is trying to pull off the line at a drag strip.
Once it's moving, the X is almost as quick as the 8/9, but getting it rolling seems to be the issue.


