My concern with the SST is that Mitsu has no experience making that kind of transmission.

I'll just say SMG, SMG-II, and now DCT. You do NOT want to own any cars equipped with those initials out of warranty. When things go wrong, you make mortgage payments on car repairs.

 

My main thing is... how can you own a car of this caliber and not have a manual transmission?! It's just the feel of being that much more in control of the car to me.

 

I can respect that. On the other hand have you driven an MR? The SST does feel like a manual. Except it shifts really quick. If you need to be in control then use the paddles. It really is insane fun. If it wasn't so much fun it wouldn't be an issue. Will modding it slightly void the warranty??

Once Greddy starts to sell this dual;

Spectrum Elite - SE



http://www.greddy.com/products/displ...SubCategory=81

There is no way in hell I'm saying no.

 

has been at it with their warranty policy for the longest. This is not the first and it's not the last time you will see this type of wording from .
Just ask anyone that had a 1G or 2G dsm during the warranty period.
I had a mod friendly dealership that didn't have any issues with IC pipes, high flow cat back, and 3" catback exhaust and a small T28 on my 2G GSX, but that's just one case.

From the tech videos that were posted up a while back, they said that currently
the SST is not serviceable and would require a complete replacement, but in the future it would be serviceable at the dealerships.

Mods like exhaust and IC piping should not be something that would automatically void your warranty, but if you slapped a bigger turbo on the car and turned up the boost and then had an issue with the SST then you can expect the standard response from

It is true that did not build this transmission, it's outsourced to a company that has a bit more experience building this type of transmission. We have a max torque spec for it, and if we want to mod our cars past that we can, but we all
know how mitsu handles mods... ask a dsm'r why the dealership is referenced as Satan.

The question is what do you expect to do to the car e.g how much whp are you
looking at obtaining, and what are you going to do with it, e.g road race/auto x.

For me the car is daily driver/street prep car.
I will autox the car and will try to get in as many HPDE's that I can locally. I'd say if I got it to be around 300 awhp and the torque level under the 350 spec for the transmission, that would be more than enough for me.

 

Oh well.. I got the MR. I cannot shift that fast. It has a 5 year 60k mile warranty. I'm good.

 

If your goal is 400+hp or modifying, go with gsr. I got an MR so my wife can drive it plus it's easy to drive around esp in traffic. It's a new experience with the SST. I'm not planning "yet" to modify my car so I'm ok with it. plus its 5 yrs warranty..

 

First of all Mitsubishi doesn't make the transmission Getrag does. Second of all VW/Audi has sold tonnes of DSG's and they claim less issues than regular automatic transmissions. The main problem is that there isn't enough education of these transmissions to the public which has led to all the false speculation. If these transmissions were really that weak why would it be the only transmission offered in an ultra-high performance car like the GTR?

 

TC/SST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Clutch_SST

I'm getting tired of all the speculation as well. We don't know what it will take to break the SST yet. As far as I know, nobody has done it. I don't think launching it is a good idea though. These are track cars, not dragsters. If you want a 1/4 mile car then go buy a Mustang or Trans-am with a V-8

Nobody knows how much power we can put to these. I'd like around 320-350 awhp for my DD. That will be plenty to track a bit on the weekends an drive to work on Monday. Driving skills are about 70% of the cars capability. And when you can shift as fast as this car, that is going to save a lot of time making laps.

The MR shifts brilliantly, it just has a fat heavy *** that needs to be overcome with a little more power. And I plan to mod the car a bit. Nothing radical. First the AEM cold air intake, then an FMIC, UICP, LICP, cat back exhaust and a tune. I can afford a little less horsepower because the shifting will make up for the lost time.

As far as who makes the transmission, the Nissan GTR and BMW M3 use the same type of twin clutch transmission from the same builder, GETRAG so I don't doubt their ability to manufacture a decent transmission for the MR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-clutch_transmission

All the power junkies want Dana rear ends..well GETRAG is married to that as well.
If it is good enough for Porsche, Audi, VW, and BMW it is good enough for the EVO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag

I bet it will handle 400 whp just fine if you don't launch it all the time.

 

I had questions about modifying my MR when I bought it from Don Herring Mitsu in Irving, TX. I was told that basically if they find a connection between something that you did (or a tuner company) to the broken part, it's not going to be covered. However, they did tell me that they offered staged upgrades that would not void your warranty. If you continue up the upgrading path the effected areas of the warranty may or may not be covered. Also, they gave me their support of aftermarket performance parts. I think it, again, comes down to why you bought the car. I bought the MR cause I'm not aiming for ridiculous high power numbers, if you want that, get the GSR.

 

You are right about the current policy to exchange TC-SST gearboxes to the factory for repair... I spoke with a Mitsubishi Rep/employee at MOD and this is what I was told (paraphrased):

Essentially, this is what is happening,
1. they need the full production of parts to produce the gearboxes for the vehicle production line ;
2. they will remanufacture gearboxes for exchange as cores become available and in the interim they will be providing new replacement gearboxes for the exchange program;
3. engineers will learn where the gearbox is weak as well and be able to make improvements;
4. eventually spare parts and training will become available to the dealers and dealers will be able to repair them.

It my experience at the dealer level, I have seen this scenario played out with many new vehicle gearboxes from various manufacturers such as: Borg/Warner, Asin/Warner, ZF, and Getrag.

With respect to the original question: which one to choose?
I bought the MR and I really like it. I would recommend one for you too!
I have a flash and custom tune and this car really runs well. Someday I’ll add some bolt ons and turn the power up some more. I think the gearbox is plenty strong for these types of mods if not abused!!!

By the way, D7 is getting rid of his MR because he just bought a home... budget concerns!

 

If you are talking about me, well here's a few ones for you. Getrag does not make the tranny for the VW or Nissan. The Nissan tranny is made by Borg Wargner i believe, and the VW are made by VW as for as i know.

And i didn't speculate on the numbers, on the Getrag website states for the two possible tranny the MR is using, they are rated at 330 or 350 lbs of torque.

I will agree with you, this is a track car not a drag car, get a american V8 for that. and keep the evo on the twisties(spelling).


the two at the bottom are said to be the ones inside the MR, not sure which one.

http://www.getrag.de/en/216.1?_searc..._=0&_offset_=0

 

No I was not talking to you but you are correct. They use transmission like the MR, not built by Getrag. My bad on that and I apologize for misquoting the information from the wrong link.

According to this site.....

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/425...ide-the-evo-x/

The Evo has the 6DCT470 TRANSMISSION

So 346.65 ft lbs of Torque is the Maximum Rated by Getrag. You know they build in a safety net so I would not hesitate to take an MR to 350 awhp and 350 awtq. I don't give a damn who you are, that is plenty for track days and running around.

 

I bought my MR last Friday at Huggins because its like 5 minutes from my house and they blew away Don Herring's prices. Way better interest rate as well. I am interested in the staged upgrades. Are they from Buschur?

 

Borg Warner makes the Audi/VW dsg's but whether it be BW or Getrag twin clutch automatics are all the same in design principal the only difference is in execution.

 

Ww Gsr