WW MR or GG GSR?
No I was not talking to you but you are correct. They use transmission like the MR, not built by Getrag. My bad on that and I apologize for misquoting the information from the wrong link.
According to this site.....
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/425...ide-the-evo-x/
The Evo has the 6DCT470 TRANSMISSION
So 346.65 ft lbs of Torque is the Maximum Rated by Getrag. You know they build in a safety net so I would not hesitate to take an MR to 350 awhp and 350 awtq. I don't give a damn who you are, that is plenty for track days and running around.
According to this site.....
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/425...ide-the-evo-x/
The Evo has the 6DCT470 TRANSMISSION
So 346.65 ft lbs of Torque is the Maximum Rated by Getrag. You know they build in a safety net so I would not hesitate to take an MR to 350 awhp and 350 awtq. I don't give a damn who you are, that is plenty for track days and running around.
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Where do you see an MR making more at the wheels?
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TC/SST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Clutch_SST
I'm getting tired of all the speculation as well. We don't know what it will take to break the SST yet. As far as I know, nobody has done it. I don't think launching it is a good idea though. These are track cars, not dragsters. If you want a 1/4 mile car then go buy a Mustang or Trans-am with a V-8
Nobody knows how much power we can put to these. I'd like around 320-350 awhp for my DD. That will be plenty to track a bit on the weekends an drive to work on Monday. Driving skills are about 70% of the cars capability. And when you can shift as fast as this car, that is going to save a lot of time making laps.
The MR shifts brilliantly, it just has a fat heavy *** that needs to be overcome with a little more power. And I plan to mod the car a bit. Nothing radical. First the AEM cold air intake, then an FMIC, UICP, LICP, cat back exhaust and a tune. I can afford a little less horsepower because the shifting will make up for the lost time.
As far as who makes the transmission, the Nissan GTR and BMW M3 use the same type of twin clutch transmission from the same builder, GETRAG so I don't doubt their ability to manufacture a decent transmission for the MR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-clutch_transmission
All the power junkies want Dana rear ends..well GETRAG is married to that as well.
If it is good enough for Porsche, Audi, VW, and BMW it is good enough for the EVO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag
I bet it will handle 400 whp just fine if you don't launch it all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Clutch_SST
I'm getting tired of all the speculation as well. We don't know what it will take to break the SST yet. As far as I know, nobody has done it. I don't think launching it is a good idea though. These are track cars, not dragsters. If you want a 1/4 mile car then go buy a Mustang or Trans-am with a V-8
Nobody knows how much power we can put to these. I'd like around 320-350 awhp for my DD. That will be plenty to track a bit on the weekends an drive to work on Monday. Driving skills are about 70% of the cars capability. And when you can shift as fast as this car, that is going to save a lot of time making laps.
The MR shifts brilliantly, it just has a fat heavy *** that needs to be overcome with a little more power. And I plan to mod the car a bit. Nothing radical. First the AEM cold air intake, then an FMIC, UICP, LICP, cat back exhaust and a tune. I can afford a little less horsepower because the shifting will make up for the lost time.
As far as who makes the transmission, the Nissan GTR and BMW M3 use the same type of twin clutch transmission from the same builder, GETRAG so I don't doubt their ability to manufacture a decent transmission for the MR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-clutch_transmission
All the power junkies want Dana rear ends..well GETRAG is married to that as well.
If it is good enough for Porsche, Audi, VW, and BMW it is good enough for the EVO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag
I bet it will handle 400 whp just fine if you don't launch it all the time.
No, i didn't say that. I said that the MR tranny is rated at about 350 lbs of torque max. But that it should be able to handle more than that. I believe the MR is putting down almost the same as GSR the mechanical loss looks to be very very small, if at all. It is pretty much a manual car but with a computer controlling the clutch.
i dont think the problem is handle 400 whp with the SSt . The problem is how long?
On road course will be a real abuse for them, if you run longer then couple minutes.
every video i did see already the SSt bailed out due heating. And remember that is a stock level aprox 220 230 whp and wtq.
Even the older version MR trannys have a heating plague. That is why the road racers changing them to back to the 5 speed.
Now the problem is for the racers is not just the reliability , the cost also...
Since NO ONE allowed to touch that tranny, i guess not too many people have experience with them to fix it at a local garage. And to replace them, that is a price for a dog box tranny.
Even if you have all the parts and knowledge later , still the 5 speed will be a cheaper tranny to run it on track. Sound weird? Maybe but is true. There is a fine balance between cost and performance in racing...
You should pay attention it when you buy something. 
So as far as my opinion goes, Get the MR if you want to stay close to the stock level, and you are not a mild or the hard core racer.
Occasionally track visit should n't be a problem with the MR.
But dont think the SST will make wonders.
And i think as a DD and a mildly tuned Evo , the MR is the best.
For other purposes, the GSr wins hands down. Because cost and reilability at higher whp and wtq + serviceability.
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On road course will be a real abuse for them, if you run longer then couple minutes.
every video i did see already the SSt bailed out due heating. And remember that is a stock level aprox 220 230 whp and wtq.
Even the older version MR trannys have a heating plague. That is why the road racers changing them to back to the 5 speed.
Now the problem is for the racers is not just the reliability , the cost also...
Since NO ONE allowed to touch that tranny, i guess not too many people have experience with them to fix it at a local garage. And to replace them, that is a price for a dog box tranny.
Even if you have all the parts and knowledge later , still the 5 speed will be a cheaper tranny to run it on track. Sound weird? Maybe but is true. There is a fine balance between cost and performance in racing...
You should pay attention it when you buy something. So as far as my opinion goes, Get the MR if you want to stay close to the stock level, and you are not a mild or the hard core racer.
Occasionally track visit should n't be a problem with the MR.
But dont think the SST will make wonders.
And i think as a DD and a mildly tuned Evo , the MR is the best.
For other purposes, the GSr wins hands down. Because cost and reilability at higher whp and wtq + serviceability.
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If you cant drive a 5spd get the MR
If you can drive a 5 spd get the GSR
I have a GSR
My mom has an MR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6tX2qR1ito --evo x mr vs sti
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The MR tranny is a paddle ho that means look at the speedo then shift make sure your in the right gear and shift or just letting the sst shift for you is a scary feeling if you like taking it to the limit. Your bound to wreck if you drive like a manic in a MR the GSR is more in your control IMO. btw I used to own a gutted VIII with JIC coils and the 5 spd has saved my life more than once.
If you can drive a 5 spd get the GSR
I have a GSR
My mom has an MR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6tX2qR1ito --evo x mr vs sti
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The MR tranny is a paddle ho that means look at the speedo then shift make sure your in the right gear and shift or just letting the sst shift for you is a scary feeling if you like taking it to the limit. Your bound to wreck if you drive like a manic in a MR the GSR is more in your control IMO. btw I used to own a gutted VIII with JIC coils and the 5 spd has saved my life more than once.
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What if you know you can drive a stick but decide you cannot shift as fast as the SST? That's what happened to me. And traffic jams the 5 speeds are FTL. I'd rather have a GSR believe it or not because it was cheaper every month and more rugged. Just felt like it was going to be easier to drive the **** out of it. The MR just feels nicer or something. Either way, I love em both.
I sure hope this doesn't turn into an MR vs GSR community and who's dick is longer.
They are both Evo's.
I sure hope this doesn't turn into an MR vs GSR community and who's dick is longer.
They are both Evo's.
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Im lying I wish I had the MR over the GSR . MR is the **** with its advance tranny , it makes the EVO 1000 better and you dont need to worry about dumping 2k on a clutch job every year GSR FTL! MR FTW!
MR FTW!
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No, i didn't say that. I said that the MR tranny is rated at about 350 lbs of torque max. But that it should be able to handle more than that. I believe the MR is putting down almost the same as GSR the mechanical loss looks to be very very small, if at all. It is pretty much a manual car but with a computer controlling the clutch.
my mr transmission is being replaced...
shift actuator malfunction was the code.
and you're right. they are replacing the entire transmission.
this is a stock motor with 700 miles.
mitsu corporate is laying no blame on me, though.
new technology will have its share of problems.
and you're right. they are replacing the entire transmission.
this is a stock motor with 700 miles.
mitsu corporate is laying no blame on me, though.
new technology will have its share of problems.
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I gotta know. Did you try to launch it or anything?
no launch...
i went on a fishing trip in the mountains. 45 mph on winding roads.
the service required light flashed and it went into safety mode.
after a short time i got gears 1,3,5,reverse back. the code stated it was a actuator fork malfunction and it was going to be an intermittent problem.
the tech said they would replace the transmission and let mitsu
corporate diagnose the failure for future reference.
the service required light flashed and it went into safety mode.
after a short time i got gears 1,3,5,reverse back. the code stated it was a actuator fork malfunction and it was going to be an intermittent problem.
the tech said they would replace the transmission and let mitsu
corporate diagnose the failure for future reference.
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i went on a fishing trip in the mountains. 45 mph on winding roads.
the service required light flashed and it went into safety mode.
after a short time i got gears 1,3,5,reverse back. the code stated it was a actuator fork malfunction and it was going to be an intermittent problem.
the tech said they would replace the transmission and let mitsu corporate diagnose the failure for future reference.
the service required light flashed and it went into safety mode.
after a short time i got gears 1,3,5,reverse back. the code stated it was a actuator fork malfunction and it was going to be an intermittent problem.
the tech said they would replace the transmission and let mitsu
corporate diagnose the failure for future reference.Hrm well I hope that was a fluke issue. I wonder if
will give you a report on what they found.
Ferrari, Porsche, VW, Buggati, Mitsubishi, BMW,Nissan and a whole lot more of car makers make this type of transmission and I don't see any correlation to your statements. What is the type of "control" that you have on the manual that you don't have on the twin clutch?, in my opinion is just a different driving style, for all the purposes the twin clutch trans drive very efficiently.
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Carlos
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