Anyone who is saying "it's easy just pull out and go" has never driven a car with a dual-clutch system. Should it be as simple as that? Yes. Is it that simple? No.

Any car with a dual-clutch tranny reacts this way. The "delay" is due to the TCM trying to determine how you are going to take off. It then has to determine the exact amount of clutch to let out before the gear engages. This takes time and is ever more evident in the standard "drive" mode. The TCM computer is smarter and better than any driver in most situations...except at a normal take off. It's annoying.

To the OP, I understand your frustration. You can't simply inch out and then go like you can with a manual. Best thing to do is give it more throttle. It won't be smooth and will jerk the car a little bit, but it will get you off the line quicker. You'll have to wait until some of the tuning companies start offering TCM flashes. VW/Audi's DSG functions identical to the TC-SST and has all the same quirks. Recently, a few VW tuners have come out with flashes for the DSG computer and it reportedly removes most of the quirks...namely the one you are experiencing at take off.

 

I beg to differ. Comparing my stock TT w/ DSG to my stock MR X, the X is slow as hell at getting going at first. The TT was pretty bad as well, but never as slow as the X. The TT has been software tuned (NOT DSG), and the lag for driving is almost unnoticeable. I have no fear pulling out with the TT into traffic, but the MR has been dragging it's feet a few times to the point I turn into traffic like a granny instead of a bat out of hell.
(The DSG flash fixed Launch Control among other things, which previously would delay for 3 seconds when the brake was released. The DSG's launch control is NOT something you'd use to turn and merge.. that's a straight line launch only.)

 

Agreed, there are slight differences between them since the TCM tuning is certainly different.

I have a MkV R32 which has essentially the same DSG transmission as your TT. Do you have the 2.0T or the 3.2 V6? The DSG seems to behave slightly differently between both. A little more responsive in the 2.0T because of FSI vs. the 3.2 V6.

In my R32 (and any VAG car with DSG) I've experienced the same thing the OP described. It's annoying. I've also test-driven an MR a couple of times and noticed it behaving identical to my R32. Also, I've worked for Audi for the past 3 years and have driven any and all cars with DSG. All of them perform this way. Reverse is the worst

 

I've driven the VW DSG on the GTI (girlfriends car) and I have a X MR; not once have I had any issue like what the OP has described.

The only lag I've experienced is going into reverse: be it waiting for the system to acknolwedge the shift or just waiting for it to engage.

 

Get a Vishnu reflash . That seems to solve some of the quirks of the SST.

 

I pull into traffic with my 01 camry with a 2.2 L 4 banger in it and an automatic transmission. I just don't understand why anyone would need to merge into traffic from a stop with that kind of a brutal launch. Beats me

 

It's the 2.0T engine, though it's been running APR for nearly a year at this point. When I had a loaner A3 and A4 '09 they both had a bit of a hesitation when accelerating, the A4 the most prominent. All I know is that after APR I can roll into traffic and slam the throttle without worry of taking a car home with me in the trunk.

 

This is an issue that I am following with interest as this would seem to be an area where a dual-clutch transmission is weak.

Apparently, M3 owners are experiencing the same problem with their DCT transmission. On the BMW forums, some owners have told of situations where they almost got T-boned in an intersection due to the unpredictability and lag of the DCT.

 

Thanks guys.... I am at least not completely alone on this. I just wish there was some control option to allow you to bring the revs up before letting the clutch out. Seems like a software fix/option.

The GTR I drove recently did not hesitate at all with absolutely no pull out lag. But I guess 430ft/lbs of torque in a 80k car helps that.

It isn't really a problem, just a slight annoyance. I still love the car and think it does most things better than my IX.... The AC works tons better.

EVO

 

You CAN power brake it... But we all know what that can do. There's even some mention of it in the Mitsu TSB for the TC-SST tranny.

I've found that jamming the gas, vs giving it half throttle, makes no difference. If you need to get into traffic fast, just giving it half gas is usually fast enough.

 

Yes, this is one of my few gripes about the MR. I still love the vehicle, but it is a bit frustrating. Its like a really terrible turbo lag ;-). It eventually kicks and kicks hard.

I agree that a software fix should be able to address this. The TCM should be able to see how rapidly the TPS % is changing before it has to engage the clutch and allow a faster rev up and higher RPM engagement.

I remember reading about the Ferrari F1 transmission and and it would basically slam the clutch in if the throttle was hammered. I know with AWD a little more care has to be taken.

Once the TCM has determined that the driver wants an aggressive start, the engagement is good. Its just that it takes several seconds for the TCM to realize and act on it.

 

For those of you who have not driven the EvoX MR, do yourself a favor and drive one in city traffic and make a left turn from a stand still with cars coming. You will rethink how you drive this car. The late and slow response should be classified as a safety hazard. Pick any economy car under 14k with an auto tranny and be amazed that it will make the turn from a stand still faster than the MR. This is really only a stand still start problem. Once the car is moving, things are relatively fine. Doesn't matter whether you put the car in SS mode, turn off traction control, or brake torque. It's slow and you have to be very careful. That said, I really enjoy the car and have just learned to drive it differently and never be in a rush

 

^+1 smgevo.

As odd as it sounds, you do have to "learn" how to drive a dual-clutch transmission to get the most out of it.

 

Have any of the MR owners tried the Blitz Throttle Controller? Any significant improvements as far as the problems discussed in this thread are concerned?

 

Yes, I noticed this as well... Does sport mode take care of this? What about when in manual normal mode?