hahah cool, just giving you a hard time. I have been to UT cant beat it in the winter time!
Ill have to admit my IX only still has the stock block, head, and turbo. Almost everything else has been messed with.
Mods in my sig
I just wanted to drive the point home for 90K I can get a GTR or for the 26K I paid for my GSR new and then dumped some money into I am beating GTR's. You cant beat that!!!

I have a GG X MR that I drive daily, but because of the tranny issues I just cant take it to that track car level, so I still rock the IX on the track.

 

Here it goes again, GT-R and Ryan Gates...

Unless you run on some tiny auto-x courses or heavily elevated mountain passes, you cannot beat GT-R with a stock evo. A modded civic can beat a stock evo for all the money saved from buying the civic instead, what is your point?

This is Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X 5 speed vs SST thread

Solution for transmission choice:

http://www.quaife.co.uk/QUAIFE-6-spe...al-dog-gearbox

 

How is that a Solution for transmission choice?
Do you have one?
I doubt it at £10,248.50 each.
How about a solution that's tested and is affordable.

Another thing I am not saying a stock evo can beat a GTR it cant unless the GTR driver is a moron but my Stock IX turbo, block, and head with other mods can.

 

No, I don't need one, I am perfectly happy with the stock 5 speed on my IX.

But I am making suggestion to people here that seem to have problem finding the 'best' and the 'fastest' shift speed. Not having to have a separate shift linkage (plus for reliability and shift speed), being available in 6 speed for this sequential and being able to handle 750hp are other pluses. It is a lot of sum for a transmission mod, but it is still well within half the actual cost of the car, or easily less than some option packages on a Lamborghini Gallardo, which is hardly a supercar priced car. If they are not willing to fork out the sum, then they can just shut up, take what is available and stop complaining.

The statement that your modded evo can beat a stock GT-R has absolutely no relavance. What are you trying to imply, that the Evo X is a better car than GT-R? Civic Type R (FD2) can beat a stock evo with intake, header, exhaust and slicks on a lot of the track, and is significantly cheaper than an Evo in Japan, even after all the mods, so what?

 

Hu? where do you get your info?
Civic Type R (FD2) can beat a stock evo with intake, header, exhaust and slicks on a lot of the track?? BS

Stop just pulling stuff off the top of your head trying to prove a point you do not have. You provide the link to a quaife product that you have no knowledge if or how well this would even work on the X MR.

My point was about two pages back if you read. Some people were comparing the X to that of a GTR via Gates311 results even though he is rolling a GSR?!?

So let’s break it down just for fun.
With the X MR you pay about $141 (give or take) per 1 HP of power.
With my IX I paid about $114 per 1 HP of power.
With the GTR you pay about $193 per 1 HP of power

With the flaws in the transmission on the MR you’re limited to about 450 HP so let’s factor in about 4K in mods to get to that point.
With the X MR you’re now paying about $100 per 1 HP of power.
With my IX modded to 480HP I am paying $72 per 1 HP of power.

We know that the Evo VIII, IX, and X can handle just as well as the GTR.

So YES the Evo is a better car then the GTR in every possible way.

I only threw my IX in there just to highlight how much you can do for less than a GTR because the GTR is around 500HP exceeding the X MR by about 50 HP modded.

The IX MR can exceed 450 HP no problem. There is my point.

I am talking about the IX because a lot of people have swapped there 6 speed trannys for 5 speed ones, even circle track guys. Not just drag racers.

So they ended up buying a GSR with MR badges and bilstein shocks and the headache of finding a 5 speed tranny to do the swap.

Also I do not care about Evo's in Japan or Europe, I am talking about USDM Evos without the stupid FQ over priced crap.

If you look at my past post you will see I have a X MR and I knew when I bought it the SST would have some limits for a while. Thats why I kept my 2 Evo IX's for when I know I wanted to feel more power under my but without stressing if I would blow my X MR tranny causing thousands of dollars in repairs for parts mitsu does not even offer to the public yet.

 

I'm thinking about trading in my GSR for a MR. Does anyone know when the new MR will have a transmission cooler put on?

WM

 

Bimmer!

 

Go look up track lap time information on FD2 in Japan, such as Tsukuba and Suzuka with such mods, they are running 1:04's on Tsukuba. Even stock form X GSR runs 1:06 on Tsukuba, FD2 runs 1:07. GT-R runs 1:01 stock there btw. Do you even have a clue what FD2 Civic Type R is and how it drives? Do you have any seat time in it? Well I do, because they sell them here.

Do you know the reason why it is called 'universal'? Of course it would need a lot of hackjob on drivetrain and chassis to make it fit, but is it sold as 'universal' because it should work on most cars. Thats what race teams and shops do, buy quality parts and make them work together, I know damn well that this is not some bolt-on plug-n-play assembly.

With your logic, Corvette must be the best car in the world in any trim, every possibly way if you talk about production cars only. If non-production cars are considered, probably 600cc to 1000cc sportsbikes, kit cars and go-karts must be the best transportation you can ever buy.

 

Again, not knocking your skill or theirs, but that was kind of my point.

I had a TBE, tune, K&N drop-in and JIC FLTA-2s set-up half-and-half for track/street... And r-compounds and race pads... And I beat a very seasoned driver in a Z06, an instructor who was showing a student how fast he could take the student's 996 Turbo, and a GT3 (among many other less exciting high price sports cars). I also beat TONS of cars worth over 4x the price of the Evo (even if you included their mods) just by swapping to race slicks.

You have a fairly extensive mod list, including r-comps. I don't know what power you are putting down, or if you are switching to track pads or not... And regardless, it is still pretty impressive assuming they are good drivers... But it isn't that amazing.

 

hahah I know I thought of that while I was posting. So ill give you some props there it did not make much since to me until I put the word "unless" there a moron driver, into that sentence. I just happen to know the guys around here that run there R35 and there no slobs on the road so I do feel a bit accomplished because my setup in my IX can walk away from there stock GTR's on the strights and corners at Willow Springs.
So its not like I am just out turning them. I am also out running them I know my HP but am not going to sit here and get into a HP battle with anyone unless I had a current dyno graph to back it up.

But UT I get where you coming from, well at least I have a better perspective

 

I agree the SST is definitely for enthusiasts. Just like the GSR is. No one should hate on either. They're specialty vehicles built for people who don't care about logos or branding. They're built for people who like to drive. I have an EVO X GSR. My birel 125cc shifter kart has a sequential box. I, and I said I, prefer the manual for a road car. And no matter how you slice it, it is a road car. Compromised from the get go. I like hitting clean, heel toe downshifts. I get a kick out of taking my car to the local road course and executing clean laps with a traditional manual. Not so concerned about lap times. That's what my dedicated racing machines are for. I've driven the MR and it is a kick! Truly, truly impressive. And it's not for poseurs. Not by any means. That transmission is the business. And it does let you focus on things like turn in, apex and track out. And you can left foot brake. Big plus. I have seen them overheat, but I think that kink has been ironed out... and here's the unpopular statement. If it has a passenger seat or an ashtray...it is not a racecar. So this guy will always go for a traditional manual in a road car but would hate it in a racecar. Simply my preference. I think the best route...would to have both. Sometimes I wish I had the MR for it's automatic option, be nice for traffic. Plus the BBS wheels and bilstein dampers are choice. As are the leather seats I''ve had an e30, e36, e46 M3 and a boxster S. put 31,000 miles on my EVO X in 11 months. NOT ONE PROBLEM. And i track it. I honestly like it better than all four of those cars. And i thought the e30 M3 would never be topped. It has. I can be hooligan with this thing or drive it cleanly. It can be a hammer or a scalpel. And it doesn't have any snob appeal. Looks fantastic. Don't mind the interior. It's functional and the seats and steering wheel are perfect. Simply my favorite car and if they keep it up I'll be buying every new iteration of the only 4wd car i'd ever own. 4wd drive usually means terminal understeer. But not in this car, it's operating at genius level. When Audi's dream, they wish they were an EVO. My two cents

 

I bought the X solely for the way it looks... true story. :-)

 

i'm actually amaized how such a low number of people needed their MR trans replaced, the car's been out for awhile now and there are very few failures on this forum and for other cars that use these DCT's like the GTR (assuming it wasn't launched with original software). The only real downside to regular stick shift is that it cots a ton of money now until the technology gets cheaper.

 

Yeah there is no doubt MR is perfectly balanced car that is well priced. Having more gears is always a plus if you disregard any weight or reliabiity penalty and assuming that at least some work was done on the ratio.

Assuming only on technology (say GSR + SST but 5 speed with the same ratio and no weight penalty), one would only be faster if:

- You can shift faster than 100ms or 80ms or whatever the delay is
- The time your hand leaves the steering wheel would have absolutely no effect on your driving

Of course the traditional manual will have slight advantage during downshifts as long as you heel-toe properly (slight delay and harsh engagement is not always welcomed)

My point with a traditional manual sequential with dog gears though, the technology has yet to be evolved enough to beat it with electronics. Of course, you can't use it as a daily driver due to many many reasons. SST is able to mimic most of the benefits, offers full auto, doesn't affect driveability for like 10th of the price is simply amazing, but when it comes to outright performance, the true sequential cannot be beat, at least yet.

 

When i test drove the MR I just hated it, simple as that.