AMS has one.

 

I have had a DSG 2008 VW R32 for almost 2 years now. Great car but...

I just put a deposit down on a GSR an hour ago.

Its a great transmission (yes I know they are not exactly the same) but its so boring after a while. And while an automated manual will always be faster, I am not trying to qualify for the Monaco Grand Prix when I am driving backroads near my house and driving to work. The manual is simply more satisfying. The process of shifting gears and feeling in control is irreplaceable. Additionally, I am in the process of developing my skills in HPDE's and auto-x. You can't be a complete driver without knowing how to drive a manual transmission under those circumstances. In fact, its a requisite for most clubs to be able to do things like heel/toe to move up into higher run groups. Thusly, I need a manual transmission to allow myself to hone my skills. The DSG box doing things for me is stunting my growth.

My 2 cents, while I anxiously await picking up my Rally Red X with SSS/Navi/all options.

 

I did the exact same thing as you guys. Sold my 2008 R32 for a GSR. All the same reasons. The novelty of a dual-clutch tranny wears off over time and it simply becomes boring and doesn't function any different than a normal auto tranny. It's not engaging and not interesting to drive. Yes, it does outperform, but it doesn't make for a better/more fun driving experience. IMHO

And, I'll add that I have plenty of seat time in an MR. On the street in regular traffic, on windy backroads and on the track (VIR). The transmission is identical to how the DSG functions. There wasn't really any difference between the two. I've also driven the E90 M3 coupe with their dual-clutch...and it functions same as the DSG and TC-SST.

 

I too did the same thing. I drove a 6 speed manual 350z and loved it..... then a VW GTI with dsg. Dsg was so awesome at first, and the "DSG fart" was cool too. Then it got boring. Traded it in for a GSR and glad I'm back with the manual clutch.

 

I will preface my previous post by saying that I've driven manual transmissions for 17 years. Never owned an automatic car until my VW R32. While owning the R32, I realized that it wasn't engaging enough for me and that for me to be truly happy with the driving experience of my car, that I needed to have a third pedal and row my own gears. That's how it was for me.

I think if your the type of guy who doesn't mind driving an automatic transmission, then you'll fall in love with a dual-clutch tranny. It is clearly the better choice over a traditional auto.

 

"Even the GT-R falls short of this execution" - op said.....

Wrong! I Have driven both MR X and the GTR hard on montain passes here in Colorado......GTR is KING when talking new transmissions...and this is a die hard mitsu fan saying this . But when you factor almost 40-60k more in the GTR the MR X is still a killer car for the money. my .02

 

My first car was an '87 VW Fox, 4 spd with no power steering. oOooo baby you want to talk about loud? On the highway in 4th I'd be going 65 mph at a constant 4500 rpm and my hands would go numb from the wheel/car vibrating so much. that fifth gear will forever be a luxury to me, would be nice to get a 6th but i'm not greedy.

 

this is a really long thread
personally i like the the gsr better
dont kill me please

 

My start to this thread was mainly "geared" to doing away with the notion that an Evo X is less of an enthusiast car in MR trim.

The Evo is really all about handling. It's far from the fastest car around, but it's handling is absolutely world class very much in the league of various super cars. That's a fact.

The transmission choices allow for two things.

1) Complete manual control
2) Complete manual control with auto option

Option number 2 allows for a total concentration of one's abilities on the HANDLING of the Evo X. No one on a twisty road should be bored with this cars handling no matter what tranny is used. I maintain that those who say otherwise simply haven't had a real test of the SST tranny on a road it excels on. There are those who will always put down the choice they DIDN'T make for fear they may have chosen wrong. 99% of the MR comments are really all about that.

And...I will almost certainly buy a GSR. But I know what I'll be missing & gaining.

It's been a fun thread. Thanks for all of the comments.


R.

 

You make a great point which I think is lost on some people.

Both transmissions do the job well. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

It all comes down to personal preference and what fits you (the owner) better

 

Quite the proclamation you made there. Some folks who purchased a stick just love the mechanical feel of a proper standard transmission, and who have already or continue to perfect heel toe downshifting, and prefer not to have a computer do the task for them.

Personally I find manumatics annoying, whether the Ferrari F1, the Porsche PDK, the Audi DSG, the Mitsu SST, or the BMW SMG I or II. I've driven all of these.

To me, your statements come across as trying to convince people who purchased a GSR they made the wrong decision. You should have more confidence in your purchase. . . and not feel the need to convince others of the righteousness of your decision.

 

U got the super SST or something. Mine clunks too. Maybe it is because u use the paddles. Whenever i use mine the car shifts smoother than if i use the stick, maybe mine is ****ed up

 

Personally, I believe the purpose of this thread was to stop the people ragging on the SST when they haven't even driven it. It's one thing if you've driven with it and didn't like it... VS saying you hate the transmission before even trying it.

I don't believe his statements were meant that way what-so-ever. Instead they were lashing out at the people who diss the SST without any idea of what it really is.

Curious, why do you find manumatics annoying? I find them an absolute delight. But this is why there are 2 options. Some like one more than the other.

But let me ask you this, if all cars went to manumatics... what would you do?

 

Plenty of old Evo 8s and 9s out there

 

There's far to many opinions being thrown around here, both transmissions have their strengths and weaknesses. If you want an auto fine... if not purchase a GSR! Either way no one comes out a loser. A good driver can take a bad car and win, a bad driver can take a good car and loose! I don't care what version of the EVO X you're driving, with both car beings so evenly matched it all comes down to the lowest common denominator [the driver]!