Semantics, and it's stupid. Automatic or not, it IS NOT what the majority of people think of, and consider an "automatic transmission".

WRONG. PLEASE stop stating things you see as fact, but are absolutely not fact. You don't own the car, and I could care less if you've driven one a couple times before or not. You don't know CRAP about the transmission, and it shows. You are going off what people with problems are saying "the car jerks when coming to a stop". Mine does not, and never has had this issue. Even through all my issues with my car, I haven't experienced this jerky shifting when coming to a stop. Just because you read it in the SST forum as a moderator, doesn't mean it happens on ALL of them. Stop making your moderator knowledge look as if you know everything about the car you don't own.

Again, this is all you spewing opinion even though you don't own an MR. You clearly haven't had enough experience driving the car as a DD, to have a valid DD opinion. While the automatic mode is not perfect, the normal mode provides smooth shifting for the majority of shifts. They are not all perfect, but then again, nor is every shift in a regular old automatic with a torque converter. An automatic transmission is just as stupid as the SST when it comes to shift jerkyness and inconsistency.

You are also COMPLETELY wrong about not being able to modulate the clutch. Sure, you have no control once you're off the line and the clutch is engaged, but throttle control before and during a shift, make a difference in how the clutch is engaged. You have quite a bit of control when coming off the line. You can feather the clutch by feathering the throttle. You don't have EXCLUSIVE control of the clutch, but you DO have control. While it's not full control, it's more control than you are letting on.

When you actually own an MR and use it as a DD, then you can comment on how it is to drive it as a DD. Until then, STFU.

 

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Here is my summary about this. Of course it is my opinion only.

There is a huge difference between the flappy shifters and the TC SST. So please dont refer to them as an example , they are just as far from each other then the MT to the TC SST.
The MR tranny is designed to do both world, the race Flappy versions of the transmissions are not. So there for they are the best on track. But the worst in traffic, very expensive to operate and maintain. End of story.
The TC SST is great what it is , but cant make them the best in both worlds, for many reasons. So to say that it is a best tranny for racing is just simply not true. In fact , this case the MT is still a better option for racing then the TC -SSt.

Also i would not call the TC SST an automatic transmission. I think the proper way is a half or semi automatic , since they DO have an automatic option , there for, they do have an automatic behavior. As my friend told me , if it walks and looks like a duck it is a duck. I dont see why hard to understand that.
Nothing wrong with that. Even if you can destroy the transmission with a wrong sifht , like you shift too much gear down , it still will be a semi automatic since still will have a automatic option.

I never tried it , but you can do a wrong gear change? Like 4th - to 2th, i mean too fast gear down when you actually over rev the engine? Like you can do it with the MT?

If you cant , then ultimately you dont have an absolute control over the tranny. So there for some situations you might have to wait to get in the right gear , vs the MT. Since the tranny has to going back by steps until reaches the right speed for the right gear. /Think about the longs straight ends with the hairpin, rally stuff/

 

The MR tranny is cool, so be it. However, Mitsubishi hasn't figured out a package that isn't a heavy pig with the softer MR suspension. Many other threads are dreaming about the dual clutch tranny with the performance of the GSR in terms of weight and handling. So until we can get this without all the loads of weight and the softer suspension, I can't see myself trading 0.99g for 0.97g + $$$.

 

Clutch pedal manuals are so freaking yesterday. Especially a 5-speed manual. Clutch pedal manuals seem a little archaic, and taking your foot off the gas, your hand off the wheel, pushing in the clutch, and moving a lever just to shift a gear is counterproductive IMO.

 

well... you push the clutch pedal with a left foot, which commonly used to using the break pedal too. The right foot is widely used to push the gas pedal, some cases the brake pedal too or both a same time or blipping one when the other is still pushed by the right foot. But i guess in your case is different , right foot clutch , i always learn new stuff and style. I really want to see how is that work in person.
I usually using one hand to shift , so the other stays on the steering wheel. But i guess the two hand shift is kind of cool too.

Unless you are using AT mode the TC SST is require to move a shifter to change gears too. I guess that is also "counterproductive" in the TC SST.

 

You haven't been driving it fast enough yet if you're shifing a GSR. Two gears, 3rd and 4th.. If you can run 5th, great, PLENTY of time to even think about the shift, which happens damn quick. I guess I've used my hands and feet together for more years and its down to habit. I don't even realize what my feet do, they just do it just like steering and shifting man.

If you don't understand that, perhaps we can use metaphors from golf like "body mechanics" and "muscle memory"

 

This thread is, after all, about MR vs GSR, not manual vs automatic manual. The GSR has better stock suspension when you look at numbers and get in it. I bought the car for its handling, so no doubt I made the best decision I can still see in retrospect.

 

Muscle Memory.... HAHA... It took a while for me to get used to the SST. There were times when I pushed the brake (hard) thinking that I needed to push in the clutch. LOL!

 

But isn't that the main difference between the two that sets them apart.

 

I can see the appeal to people with a physical handicap. There is a member over on the other forum who uses a prosthetic left leg and cannot drive a manual for that reason. The MR definitely makes life SO much easier, while using high end technology to achieve the same instead of a crappy slushbox. I for one think that Mitsu definitely did the right thing giving users the option.

But eventually, there are gonna be discussions/comparisons like these where owners of one kind make it sound like the other kind is bad or not as good. People need to accept these cars for what they are and that they are capable in their own ways.

 

OMG, that itself was a big reason I HAD to go GSR, the left foot has to do something, and I have had one car that rusted out at that spot (well, the battery was in the engine above there, but still). I shift so fast in the GSR that I know I'm gear matching as much as depressing on some, but the shifts are rare, just let it wind from 4k to 7k, it's all goodness

Nope. Like I wrote, I bought the GSR for noticably better handling. Sorry, the MR feels (stock) like a damn STI, or nearly so, to me. I loathe the softness in the GSR when it starts letting me slide. Blame the weight, the sound deadening, and the different tuning of the different suspension.

 

Well, the MR still equal, in time, if not better, on most magazine test when compared to the GSR, given it has the weight disadvantage and the *ahem* gearbox disadvantage. So I don't see how your argument is valid, unless you would only like to compare your car with other's through slaloms races, then yes, your car is better than that of a MR, in that aspect. The most you can argue is that MR cost more, which includes things that you DO NOT WANT, but it does not mean others won't enjoy the amenities.

 

On the plus side I've learned how to brake with my left foot.

 

I just bought a 08 MR and its my first of many performance cars in 10 years with this type of transmission and I'm absolutely in love!
I was weary at first.... but now I see the big picture with it. The SST is the future, don't expect it to go away either.