Newbie Needs Scoop on 2010 MR Touring
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Funny I was expecting a response like this since I was starting to have some doubts reading my last post. But remember we are talking about the MR Touring which is brand new for 2010. It has the features that appeal to a bit broader/different segment. But if you are saying, I'll be blown away how small the trunk is, then you are probably right. I'm a huge Rally Car fan a major driving enthusiast. I've just not seen, until now, a Rally Car cloaked in a more near-luxury sedan guise which this MR Touring seems to be.
Have you read the reviews on the SHO. It gets stellar marks in most everything except two things (1) The brakes are terrible, the pads virtually catch on fire if you take it to the track or down a mountain road - but this can be fixed with new brakes, at least new pads and some slotted or vented rotors and (2) it's HEAVY: 4,400 pounds, hence #1. My main problem with it is in my 25 years of driving, I've owned about 12 cars. My Dad has owned about 40. We have a good feel about cars and I can tell you, even though Ford is producing quality vehicles, the Taurus resale value will be ABYSMAL. Much safer in any Japanese make or a BMW. I've already taken a bath financially, not willing to add fuel to that fire buying something that will be worth less than half in 3 years.
Have you read the reviews on the SHO. It gets stellar marks in most everything except two things (1) The brakes are terrible, the pads virtually catch on fire if you take it to the track or down a mountain road - but this can be fixed with new brakes, at least new pads and some slotted or vented rotors and (2) it's HEAVY: 4,400 pounds, hence #1. My main problem with it is in my 25 years of driving, I've owned about 12 cars. My Dad has owned about 40. We have a good feel about cars and I can tell you, even though Ford is producing quality vehicles, the Taurus resale value will be ABYSMAL. Much safer in any Japanese make or a BMW. I've already taken a bath financially, not willing to add fuel to that fire buying something that will be worth less than half in 3 years.
The trunk in this car is the smallest I've ever seen, period. It's laughably small.
CTS-V is too spendy - $60-$65K.
Best bang for the buck all around would be a used G37S. But it is so, "Japanese Bland". The Japanese designers are funny it's like they either error on the side of being to conservative for fear of making a car that is too radical (at least in the sedans - when you start talking 350Z, S2000, GTR, NSX, that's another story), or they error on the side of being too weird, ala Acura TL.
The TSX is WAY better looking than the TL as is the previous TL. They should have just made a larger version of the TSX as the TL. If they put 300HP and SH-AWD in the TSX, I'd be all over that although I'm not sure how it would fair as far as amenities as then how do you differentiate the two cars other than on looks - it would kill TL sales! I would be very very suprised if they put the same engine and AWD in the TSX as the TL.
Best bang for the buck all around would be a used G37S. But it is so, "Japanese Bland". The Japanese designers are funny it's like they either error on the side of being to conservative for fear of making a car that is too radical (at least in the sedans - when you start talking 350Z, S2000, GTR, NSX, that's another story), or they error on the side of being too weird, ala Acura TL.
The TSX is WAY better looking than the TL as is the previous TL. They should have just made a larger version of the TSX as the TL. If they put 300HP and SH-AWD in the TSX, I'd be all over that although I'm not sure how it would fair as far as amenities as then how do you differentiate the two cars other than on looks - it would kill TL sales! I would be very very suprised if they put the same engine and AWD in the TSX as the TL.
The G37 is bland... I agree with that.
Sorry, should've been more clear, the lowest model TL motor (250 hp I think) is the one supposedly going into the TSX SH-AWD.
Plus me and my friends make fun of tree hugging Subaru drivers (not STI owners of course)
I like the fact the MR, if I recall runs on regular so that means lots of potential on just an ECU tune and running on Premium (we have 92 up here in WA) The ECU flash I have now is a device I can plug into the OBDI (or whatever you call it) port and I can flash the car back to stock if I need to take it in for warranty service. Do they have that for the Evo?
I like the fact the MR, if I recall runs on regular so that means lots of potential on just an ECU tune and running on Premium (we have 92 up here in WA) The ECU flash I have now is a device I can plug into the OBDI (or whatever you call it) port and I can flash the car back to stock if I need to take it in for warranty service. Do they have that for the Evo?
That comment is full of win.No car in your list (or near it) runs on regular... The MR will require premium 91 at minimum, probably 93 is recommended. COBB makes the AccessPort for the X that can do exactly what you described and more... And even tuning it on the gas it needs anyway will still yield a very large gain in power (I think people are getting anywhere from 40 to 80 whp just on the tune).
Good luck with getting 29k right now... Was that on KBB? KBB trade-in for my car is almost what I bought it for... Private party is 1,000 more than I bought it for, and that's with an extra 10k miles on it. Seeing as how you can (or could, but are losing the chance as more sell) get a new X for 29k (assume yours is a GSR) with 0% financing you'll have a hard time getting a few thousand less for your car with 5-6% financing.
I bought the Evo X MR Premium Package in Canada and I didn't realize that it was basically a roadmap to the 2010 MR touring until papers were signed!
Like others have said, it's basically a more grown up version of the Evo and it has features that makes it more usable on a day to day basis. All that comes with a price of added weight and until I tried a GSR, I didn't realize how much I was missing out of the title "evolution." If Canada ever decides to have the GSR with SSS package, I will definately be trading it in! The touring package features are nice, but it ultimately dulls down the car to the point where the G37S X might have been the smarter choice.
I have however, driven another member's MR Premium with the Gunzo tune and it felt like the car awoke from a long slumber. Bottom line, if you do end up getting the Evo X Touring Package, you'll definately be tempted to do minor mods and tune just to haul the extra weight around! I believe my car weighs roughly 3700lbs with my bigger bumper and steel roof. That's right, no one tells you a sunroof will cause the whole roof to be made out steel as to aluminium.
As for trunk space, I managed to fit one large suitcase into the trunk and there appeared to be room for one more, but not any more than that.
Like others have said, it's basically a more grown up version of the Evo and it has features that makes it more usable on a day to day basis. All that comes with a price of added weight and until I tried a GSR, I didn't realize how much I was missing out of the title "evolution." If Canada ever decides to have the GSR with SSS package, I will definately be trading it in! The touring package features are nice, but it ultimately dulls down the car to the point where the G37S X might have been the smarter choice.
I have however, driven another member's MR Premium with the Gunzo tune and it felt like the car awoke from a long slumber. Bottom line, if you do end up getting the Evo X Touring Package, you'll definately be tempted to do minor mods and tune just to haul the extra weight around! I believe my car weighs roughly 3700lbs with my bigger bumper and steel roof. That's right, no one tells you a sunroof will cause the whole roof to be made out steel as to aluminium.
As for trunk space, I managed to fit one large suitcase into the trunk and there appeared to be room for one more, but not any more than that.
Last edited by Optiblue; Sep 28, 2009 at 08:32 PM.
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Funny I was expecting a response like this since I was starting to have some doubts reading my last post. But remember we are talking about the MR Touring which is brand new for 2010. It has the features that appeal to a bit broader/different segment. But if you are saying, I'll be blown away how small the trunk is, then you are probably right. I'm a huge Rally Car fan a major driving enthusiast. I've just not seen, until now, a Rally Car cloaked in a more near-luxury sedan guise which this MR Touring seems to be.
Have you read the reviews on the SHO. It gets stellar marks in most everything except two things (1) The brakes are terrible, the pads virtually catch on fire if you take it to the track or down a mountain road - but this can be fixed with new brakes, at least new pads and some slotted or vented rotors and (2) it's HEAVY: 4,400 pounds, hence #1. My main problem with it is in my 25 years of driving, I've owned about 12 cars. My Dad has owned about 40. We have a good feel about cars and I can tell you, even though Ford is producing quality vehicles, the Taurus resale value will be ABYSMAL. Much safer in any Japanese make or a BMW. I've already taken a bath financially, not willing to add fuel to that fire buying something that will be worth less than half in 3 years.
Have you read the reviews on the SHO. It gets stellar marks in most everything except two things (1) The brakes are terrible, the pads virtually catch on fire if you take it to the track or down a mountain road - but this can be fixed with new brakes, at least new pads and some slotted or vented rotors and (2) it's HEAVY: 4,400 pounds, hence #1. My main problem with it is in my 25 years of driving, I've owned about 12 cars. My Dad has owned about 40. We have a good feel about cars and I can tell you, even though Ford is producing quality vehicles, the Taurus resale value will be ABYSMAL. Much safer in any Japanese make or a BMW. I've already taken a bath financially, not willing to add fuel to that fire buying something that will be worth less than half in 3 years.
PS. The trunk space is perfectly fine for daily use or a light trip for one or two, and grocery shopping. Are you going to be able to drive cross country with all your extended stay luggage for three or more people and the family dog? (Your probbaly not going to have enough room to get everything) One meduim to large single stroller? Yes. Two small to meduim sized totes bags? Yes. One large suit case and a small tote bag? Yes. Two large suit cases? No
I would reccomend that you take all your kids strollers and car seats and see if the fit before you buy it. Even bring a large suit case. Then you can see for yourself what works and what doesn't.
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