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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
yes, and also they wasn't build by performance in mind only.
Many people tend to be forget, the Evolution line is not for comfort or fuel mileage , neither for low maintenance...
They try to be as close as the given minimum comfort by the given year, what other car makers have. That is all. TPMS - 7 airbag - crash beams etc. just to have the car comply for the US standards to being road legal. Other goodies , like stereo or nav. just to be more trendy by the given era.
If you really look into the base line model any Evo by the given era, they just as far from the base models from the other car makers as the X today. nothing changed with that. Only the customers and the governments want to have "more".

Some guys cant see the forest from the tree...

The Evo, end of the day is a road legal race car. There for , these issues like rattling etc. is completely irrelevant in the Evolution.

If this is a problem, then the Evo is simply just not for you. Nothing wrong with that.


i hope my opinion will not come out a wrong way here.

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I disagree. It is a high performance consumer vehicle, with Mitsubishi's mind of expanding and broadening the market for more consumers, and they themselves have stated that they want to draw in consumers from higher up vehicle brands. Therefore, issues like rattling etc is completely relevant.

Not everyone's car is as sick as yours Rob =]
Yea consumers can autocross, they can track etc.. it doesn't mean some don't drive it often or daily, and want to live with the car as well. I do agree though, given Mitsubishi's track record, that if you want a car with better overall quality, the Evo is probably not the car for you.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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I would still get one just to daily drive.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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It annoys me that people that this is a review - it's merely a guy who has driven his X for a while letting everyone know how his car is holding up after 50K miles. And from what it looks like, it hasn't broken down yet.
Whatever you want to call it, I've seen similar reports and they've helped me make my decision. I'm getting an VIII which, after two other owners and 43K miles, has an interior which looks brand new, very few rattles if any, and has been perfectly maintained in every way.

Originally Posted by kyooch
Just don't get one of the earliest ones ('03 VIII). The newer and less abused, the better, like 05 VIII MR or with the IXs if you are able. Though, I am sure much of the problems mentioned in the OP's review of his X has probably been fixed for 2010.
Getting an 05 SSL GSR; picking it up this week. I would've gotten a IX but they're priced higher and I plan on a turbo upgrade at some point anyway, so the extra cost can't be justified.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
if you are form the EU , just as me , we never will understand this type of complains in the Evolution
Got that right
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
Honestly I think all this justification by X owners is a little ridiculous. It only feeds and allows Mitsubishi to continue to get away with poor build quality.

Yes, we bought this car for speed; and if he were complaining saying things like "I get poor gas mileage" "the car is too loud" "the car makes whooshing noises" or "the ride is too stiff" I would totally understand with what most people are saying right now. But he's not. Things have broken, windows are rattling, interior parts are rattling, paints chipping. Honestly even if I had a Honda Civic and I had all the problems mentioned I would contact the dealer to let them know I had a lemon.
Perhaps because the less vocal majority here isn't having any problems with their X.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
I disagree. It is a high performance consumer vehicle, with Mitsubishi's mind of expanding and broadening the market for more consumers, and they themselves have stated that they want to draw in consumers from higher up vehicle brands. Therefore, issues like rattling etc is completely relevant.

Not everyone's car is as sick as yours Rob =]
Yea consumers can autocross, they can track etc.. it doesn't mean some don't drive it often or daily, and want to live with the car as well. I do agree though, given Mitsubishi's track record, that if you want a car with better overall quality, the Evo is probably not the car for you.
well , i agree with you in this one. I do see your point and i think is legit. I do think my wife audi A6 rattles too . Just for the record...
Thanks for the compliment though.

this is for others:
I'm only saying is , looking for rattles and so, in the car what clearly made for other ideas then DD. IS just a bit too much.
WHen you walk in the dealer you should know what you get into.
And not blame the car , because your poor choice you made when you got it.

For that money what the EVo cost you can have a world most quiet car/BUICK/
Sure you will be left on the track to breath other cars dust...
But look at the bright side, will be painless since there will be a very quiet race for you without any rattle, fact you can hear your own breathing when you inhale other car dust on the track...

Its your choice.

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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FJF, you may have gotten lucky and not had any rattles in the cars that you have owned, but that doesn't mean that other people's experiences are the same (even with the same model cars). The comment that some other guy made about no cars being impervious to rattles is very true, and no matter what your experiences have been, the facts remain the same. I'll give you a perfect example: I am VP of sales for a company that deals in exotic car shares, and because of this, I get to drive high end exotics on a very regular basis, so I'll share my experiences to give a point of reference that will lend itself well to this conversation. We have a Ferrari 360 spider, F430 Coupe, Porsche 911 Turbo X50, Lamborghini Gallardo, and soon to be a Ford GT, and they ALL have rattles and squeeks here and there (some more than others). These are the finest cars in the world, and even they are not perfect, so there you go. It is what it is, no matter how you want to look at it.
Some of the finest performance cars, perhaps, but guess what? My S2000 didn't rattle, creak, or groan. It didn't have interior pieces fall off. It didn't have any issue with fit and finish inside.

Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys seem to be able to live without rattles, buzzes, and poor fitment for a long time. There's no reason other manufacturers (exotic or not) can't do the same thing.

Heck, a Nissan Versa doesn't buzz and rattle.

The difference is in the details. As "hardcore" as an Evo X is, it's no more hardcore than an S2000. The proper use of clips, adjusting design fits (reduced contact between parts that are probably going to buzz or move), and general part rigidity (or lack thereof, where suitable) all play a part.

That's half the reason I'm finding it hard to replace my S2000 with anything. For similar money, I can't find much that is as solidly built and reliable. I have to pay a lot more to get a car that will last as long and still offer the same grins and performance on a day-to-day basis without killing me on fit/finish and general "minor details" that get tiresome.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Some of the finest performance cars, perhaps, but guess what? My S2000 didn't rattle, creak, or groan. It didn't have interior pieces fall off. It didn't have any issue with fit and finish inside.

Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys seem to be able to live without rattles, buzzes, and poor fitment for a long time. There's no reason other manufacturers (exotic or not) can't do the same thing.

Heck, a Nissan Versa doesn't buzz and rattle.

The difference is in the details. As "hardcore" as an Evo X is, it's no more hardcore than an S2000. The proper use of clips, adjusting design fits (reduced contact between parts that are probably going to buzz or move), and general part rigidity (or lack thereof, where suitable) all play a part.

That's half the reason I'm finding it hard to replace my S2000 with anything. For similar money, I can't find much that is as solidly built and reliable. I have to pay a lot more to get a car that will last as long and still offer the same grins and performance on a day-to-day basis without killing me on fit/finish and general "minor details" that get tiresome.

http://s2000.com/forums/new-s2000-co...or-rattle.html

"The S2000's cabin is small in every conceivable direction. Pop the top and you trade one problem for another; the metal roof catches rattle incessantly, just inches behind your head."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-s2000/

ETC.

I would not open Evo X vs other car thread in here. If you want it there is another thread already.

Rob
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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Coming from an S2000 I personally think the car is a rip off in today's car market. You get very little car for the money reliable or not, it really depends how much one values fun.

Rather than getting any that are 06+ and paying $20+K for what is realistically a 10 year old Honda I'd find a ancient AP1 and get 90% of the car for 1/4 the price. You can then buy the fancy center console/door cards/etc from the AP2 LoL.

And to the guy above those are 2 pretty horrible examples you linked. But then again after owning one I completely agree with the 2nd review link.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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I agree the evo X may not be the best Quality, but i'm with robevo. You dont buy a evo by accident. You dont go in the dealer for a lancer and roll out with a Evo. I live in an apartment I can only have one car at this point. my MR has a decent interior, Is pretty fast(tuned), handles awesome, I track it every so often, put kid in back, Drive 4 adults to dinner. I paid 34,000 0% , please tell me what I could have that would cover my needs. I have not kept a car over 50,000 in 15 years so I'll let the next guy worry about the rattles
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JonBoy
Some of the finest performance cars, perhaps, but guess what? My S2000 didn't rattle, creak, or groan. It didn't have interior pieces fall off. It didn't have any issue with fit and finish inside.

Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys seem to be able to live without rattles, buzzes, and poor fitment for a long time. There's no reason other manufacturers (exotic or not) can't do the same thing.

Heck, a Nissan Versa doesn't buzz and rattle.

The difference is in the details. As "hardcore" as an Evo X is, it's no more hardcore than an S2000. The proper use of clips, adjusting design fits (reduced contact between parts that are probably going to buzz or move), and general part rigidity (or lack thereof, where suitable) all play a part.

That's half the reason I'm finding it hard to replace my S2000 with anything. For similar money, I can't find much that is as solidly built and reliable. I have to pay a lot more to get a car that will last as long and still offer the same grins and performance on a day-to-day basis without killing me on fit/finish and general "minor details" that get tiresome.
Wow, your S2000 was rattle free...Guess what, so is my X. Does that mean that every X is rattle free, or that every S2000 is? No, just the same as our 911 turbo has tons of rattles around the center console and my buddy's 911 doesn't. There are always going to be inconsistencies from one car to the next, even when they are the same model, because manufacturing tolerances will always vary slightly.

It's the same reason why you can take two identical cars and put them on the dyno only to find that one makes 20 whp more than the other with the same mods. One engine's happy, while the other knocks like crazy with the same tune. The point that I'm trying to make is that I think your experience is a little narrow scoped to be making such broad, conclusive statements. Next time, try to step outside of your own personal experiences to take other people's into account, or at the very least, do some research on the subject first.

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
Wow, your S2000 was rattle free...Guess what, so is my X. Does that mean that every X is rattle free, or that every S2000 is? No, just the same as our 911 turbo has tons of rattles around the center console and my buddy's 911 doesn't. There are always going to be inconsistencies from one car to the next, even when they are the same model, because manufacturing tolerances will always vary slightly.

It's the same reason why you can take two identical cars and put them on the dyno only to find that one makes 20 whp more than the other with the same mods. One engine's happy, while the other knocks like crazy with the same tune. The point that I'm trying to make is that I think your experience is a little narrow scoped to be making such broad, conclusive statements. Next time, try to step outside of your own personal experiences to take other people's into account, or at the very least, do some research on the subject first.
Amen!!!
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
http://s2000.com/forums/new-s2000-co...or-rattle.html

"The S2000's cabin is small in every conceivable direction. Pop the top and you trade one problem for another; the metal roof catches rattle incessantly, just inches behind your head."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-s2000/

ETC.

I would not open Evo X vs other car thread in here. If you want it there is another thread already.

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The latches are not locked or closed when the top is down. Of course they would potentially rattle. That said, mine never did so maybe he was doing something wrong.

Not sure what you wanted to point out in the second link but it doesn't talk about rattles or buzzes. The S2000 holds up very well over time in terms of interior fit.

It isn't a perfect car by any means but it does not generally have the issues this thread discusses.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
Wow, your S2000 was rattle free...Guess what, so is my X. Does that mean that every X is rattle free, or that every S2000 is? No, just the same as our 911 turbo has tons of rattles around the center console and my buddy's 911 doesn't. There are always going to be inconsistencies from one car to the next, even when they are the same model, because manufacturing tolerances will always vary slightly.
Sure, but I'm hearing about it regularly. This isn't the first I've heard and it won't be the last.

What I can look at is the general trend. The general trend with Evos, including this one, is that it isn't really screwed together that well inside.

Seat belt guides coming out of seats, rattles, buzzes, etc, etc.

It's the same reason why you can take two identical cars and put them on the dyno only to find that one makes 20 whp more than the other with the same mods. One engine's happy, while the other knocks like crazy with the same tune. The point that I'm trying to make is that I think your experience is a little narrow scoped to be making such broad, conclusive statements. Next time, try to step outside of your own personal experiences to take other people's into account, or at the very least, do some research on the subject first.
Narrow scoped? I'm seeing quite a few comments about rattles and buzzes and rubbing sounds for different reasons. I know the internet is going to have more comments about problems than good things, in general, and so I weight that into my research.

That's why I'm here - to do research. The fact that you're so quick to dismiss this guy's information and experience seems to indicate that you're as narrowminded as you accuse me of being.

However, this car has been out in Lancer form for quite a while. The interior parts should have been sorted by now. They don't appear to be and it makes me pretty leery.

No need to get all huffy. I'm just stating that it's possible to build a performance car without the niggling issues. Doesn't mean I don't still think the Evo X is a fantastic car that does almost everything well.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
http://s2000.com/forums/new-s2000-co...or-rattle.html

"The S2000's cabin is small in every conceivable direction. Pop the top and you trade one problem for another; the metal roof catches rattle incessantly, just inches behind your head."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-s2000/

ETC.

I would not open Evo X vs other car thread in here. If you want it there is another thread already.

Rob
Hondas rattle, most cars do and pretty well all cars with firm, performance suspension will over time. It's just a grass is greener thing. Although I must say that the premium brands such as Audi and Lexus in particular seem to maintain a very quiet cabin over the years.
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