50,000 Miles and what I think of my X
Subaru's are rattle traps. Search NASIOC for rattles and the typical post is:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=rattles
"Subarus rattle and creak, it's just what they do. Learn to live with it."
Subaru owners in general seem to be more accepting of rattles. It's inevitable when firm performance suspension is used on an entry level based car.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=rattles
"Subarus rattle and creak, it's just what they do. Learn to live with it."
Subaru owners in general seem to be more accepting of rattles. It's inevitable when firm performance suspension is used on an entry level based car.
Had 2 imprezas STi. Both rattle A LOT + passenger window creaks after 190km/h
More than that, it is light-weight cars with performance suspensions. You can add a few hundred pounds of sound deadening features to a car to eliminate most rattles but then you either have a super-heavy "sports car" or you have to spend a mint converting parts from steel to aluminum, titatium, etc to get the weight back down. It's that whole choose two: inexpensive, fast, or quiet conundrum.
More than that, it is light-weight cars with performance suspensions. You can add a few hundred pounds of sound deadening features to a car to eliminate most rattles but then you either have a super-heavy "sports car" or you have to spend a mint converting parts from steel to aluminum, titatium, etc to get the weight back down. It's that whole choose two: inexpensive, fast, or quiet conundrum.
The plastics are rather soft through out the entire car, exterior included! Over I do feel the 06 and prior lancers material was better but more lack luster! There's no frills in the cabin what so ever, but I could careless about the interior of a car... To me, no matter the make or model the car's performance and exterior is what speaks volumes to me!!! How many people really buy cars of their interiors? Well unless you're on of those green honda hybrid freaks or million and one button cluster Saab-ites!
To me Mitsu could have used better plastics but the overall layout couldn't be any better, it's clean, easy to navigate and it doesn't look like something out of Star Trek.
To me Mitsu could have used better plastics but the overall layout couldn't be any better, it's clean, easy to navigate and it doesn't look like something out of Star Trek.
The plastics are rather soft through out the entire car, exterior included! Over I do feel the 06 and prior lancers material was better but more lack luster! There's no frills in the cabin what so ever, but I could careless about the interior of a car... To me, no matter the make or model the car's performance and exterior is what speaks volumes to me!!! How many people really buy cars of their interiors? Well unless you're on of those green honda hybrid freaks or million and one button cluster Saab-ites!
To me Mitsu could have used better plastics but the overall layout couldn't be any better, it's clean, easy to navigate and it doesn't look like something out of Star Trek.
That's just USDM, Europe and Japan you can add the 3 gauge MR gauges from the IX MR. There are a ton of options over there that we don't get. Hell they even get options for performance parts! Add those same performance parts over here to our cars and we lose our warranty. It's a shame really.
Yes, and better materials generally cost more and are heavier. I've taken apart the dash in my BMW before (damn A/C evaporator core)...everything is heavier. They make up the weight by having almost everything in the engine bay and under the car made from lighter weight metals...that's affordable to do on an expensive car.
If people want BMW's then buy one...the 335xi is very tempting but the price tag is tough. By the time I added a decent stereo and NAV it'd be 50% more money than the Evo.
If people want BMW's then buy one...the 335xi is very tempting but the price tag is tough. By the time I added a decent stereo and NAV it'd be 50% more money than the Evo.
Last edited by mlomker; Sep 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM.
While I won't disagree with the relative cost, as I don't know enough about it, the materials don't have to be heavier. Just take a look at what came before.
BTW, you quoted my discussing a completely different factor - the inclusion of sound deadening and insulation, along with its inherent weight penalty.
BTW, you quoted my discussing a completely different factor - the inclusion of sound deadening and insulation, along with its inherent weight penalty.
Last edited by FJF; Sep 29, 2009 at 10:13 AM.
i am just very disapointed. i can from a subaru that was making over 550 whp on 93 octane that got better gas mileage and was more solid and a helluva lot faster.and more depenable.i really don't wish the mfg go under but i would not mind seeing jeff schwartz and schaumburg mitsu ,and biggers mitsu get crush by a giant ***** falling from the sky. i paid 30,500 out the door tax and title for an sss evox gsr with 4 miles on it back in december of 08
I actually like the X's interior a lot, especially the gauge layout etc. I don't think I could take rattling though, it really drives me insane. not to start a pissing match or anything but my car doesn't, and has never had any rattles, and I'm sure the rattling etc will be gone for the future X's and evos of this chassis. just takes time to solidify new cars
This isn't about interior accommodations. It's about rattles, buzzes, and other noises that are driven by the poor quality of the materials. It's a shame, because it didn't have to be like this. It's fully understandable how a modded car can rattle. Stiffening the suspension, alone, can bring about conditions beyond the scope of the design. But, a relatively new stock car at this day and age? There's no possible explanation that can excuse it.
I guess we differ here, as well. No center-mounted tach and no real gauges, not even as an option. I hate to bring back all my complaints from two years ago.
I guess we differ here, as well. No center-mounted tach and no real gauges, not even as an option. I hate to bring back all my complaints from two years ago.

My comments were not generated in a vacuum. I own more than one modern and none of them rattle. My IX doesn't rattle, neither does my Mazda, or even the relatively high-mileage Kia minivan. Designing and manufacturing plastic parts that do isn't exactly a step forward. That's the point.
It sounds like the poster should have bought a Scion. He needs reliability, some good looks and something cheap to afford upkeep.
My car had a factory defect that was eventually fixed during its first month (leaky throw out bearing seal). I have had no problems since. I have some mods and tuning. I have autoxed and taken the car to the track with it and its a fun car. However, I really think it makes no sense for someone to buy this car if they don't intend to use it for high performance driving.
My car had a factory defect that was eventually fixed during its first month (leaky throw out bearing seal). I have had no problems since. I have some mods and tuning. I have autoxed and taken the car to the track with it and its a fun car. However, I really think it makes no sense for someone to buy this car if they don't intend to use it for high performance driving.







