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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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+1 on that. I spent hours dinking around the interior of my 2002 WRX silencing rattles.
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by heavyD
Subaru's are rattle traps. Search NASIOC for rattles and the typical post is:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=rattles

"Subarus rattle and creak, it's just what they do. Learn to live with it."

Subaru owners in general seem to be more accepting of rattles. It's inevitable when firm performance suspension is used on an entry level based car.
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Had 2 imprezas STi. Both rattle A LOT + passenger window creaks after 190km/h
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 05:04 AM
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It's inevitable when firm performance suspension is used on an entry level based car.
More than that, it is light-weight cars with performance suspensions. You can add a few hundred pounds of sound deadening features to a car to eliminate most rattles but then you either have a super-heavy "sports car" or you have to spend a mint converting parts from steel to aluminum, titatium, etc to get the weight back down. It's that whole choose two: inexpensive, fast, or quiet conundrum.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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More than that, it is light-weight cars with performance suspensions. You can add a few hundred pounds of sound deadening features to a car to eliminate most rattles but then you either have a super-heavy "sports car" or you have to spend a mint converting parts from steel to aluminum, titatium, etc to get the weight back down. It's that whole choose two: inexpensive, fast, or quiet conundrum.
I recall sitting in a Lancer in a dealer showroom in '07. As I lightly pressed on various trim pieces and the dash with my fingers, the creaks and groans were obvious and readily apparent. I was so shocked by this, that I posted in total dismay and was told that I was insane. All the automotive rags were praising the new interior - the one shared with the Evo - as a BIG step forward, yet the materials quality was dismal compared to the outgoing model. I guess I'm trying to say that sound deadening and insulation wouldn't have mattered; that's not how one stops rattles, regardless. It's not an issue of weight. Better materials would have helped greatly, or at the very least, keeping the materials quality at the previously established levels.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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The plastics are rather soft through out the entire car, exterior included! Over I do feel the 06 and prior lancers material was better but more lack luster! There's no frills in the cabin what so ever, but I could careless about the interior of a car... To me, no matter the make or model the car's performance and exterior is what speaks volumes to me!!! How many people really buy cars of their interiors? Well unless you're on of those green honda hybrid freaks or million and one button cluster Saab-ites!

To me Mitsu could have used better plastics but the overall layout couldn't be any better, it's clean, easy to navigate and it doesn't look like something out of Star Trek.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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The plastics are rather soft through out the entire car, exterior included! Over I do feel the 06 and prior lancers material was better but more lack luster! There's no frills in the cabin what so ever, but I could careless about the interior of a car... To me, no matter the make or model the car's performance and exterior is what speaks volumes to me!!! How many people really buy cars of their interiors? Well unless you're on of those green honda hybrid freaks or million and one button cluster Saab-ites!
This isn't about interior accommodations. It's about rattles, buzzes, and other noises that are driven by the poor quality of the materials. It's a shame, because it didn't have to be like this. It's fully understandable how a modded car can rattle. Stiffening the suspension, alone, can bring about conditions beyond the scope of the design. But, a relatively new stock car at this day and age? There's no possible explanation that can excuse it.

To me Mitsu could have used better plastics but the overall layout couldn't be any better, it's clean, easy to navigate and it doesn't look like something out of Star Trek.
I guess we differ here, as well. No center-mounted tach and no real gauges, not even as an option. I hate to bring back all my complaints from two years ago.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FJF
I guess we differ here, as well. No center-mounted tach and no real gauges, not even as an option. I hate to bring back all my complaints from two years ago.
That's just USDM, Europe and Japan you can add the 3 gauge MR gauges from the IX MR. There are a ton of options over there that we don't get. Hell they even get options for performance parts! Add those same performance parts over here to our cars and we lose our warranty. It's a shame really.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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It's not an issue of weight. Better materials would have helped greatly
Yes, and better materials generally cost more and are heavier. I've taken apart the dash in my BMW before (damn A/C evaporator core)...everything is heavier. They make up the weight by having almost everything in the engine bay and under the car made from lighter weight metals...that's affordable to do on an expensive car.

If people want BMW's then buy one...the 335xi is very tempting but the price tag is tough. By the time I added a decent stereo and NAV it'd be 50% more money than the Evo.

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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mlomker
Yes, and better materials generally cost more and are heavier.
While I won't disagree with the relative cost, as I don't know enough about it, the materials don't have to be heavier. Just take a look at what came before.

BTW, you quoted my discussing a completely different factor - the inclusion of sound deadening and insulation, along with its inherent weight penalty.

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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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i am just very disapointed. i can from a subaru that was making over 550 whp on 93 octane that got better gas mileage and was more solid and a helluva lot faster.and more depenable.i really don't wish the mfg go under but i would not mind seeing jeff schwartz and schaumburg mitsu ,and biggers mitsu get crush by a giant ***** falling from the sky. i paid 30,500 out the door tax and title for an sss evox gsr with 4 miles on it back in december of 08
Get the **** off these forums then bro! Don't lemme get started on subaru dog...
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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Get the **** off these forums then bro! Don't lemme get started on subaru dog...
wtf? he owns a X lol

I actually like the X's interior a lot, especially the gauge layout etc. I don't think I could take rattling though, it really drives me insane. not to start a pissing match or anything but my car doesn't, and has never had any rattles, and I'm sure the rattling etc will be gone for the future X's and evos of this chassis. just takes time to solidify new cars
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FJF
This isn't about interior accommodations. It's about rattles, buzzes, and other noises that are driven by the poor quality of the materials. It's a shame, because it didn't have to be like this. It's fully understandable how a modded car can rattle. Stiffening the suspension, alone, can bring about conditions beyond the scope of the design. But, a relatively new stock car at this day and age? There's no possible explanation that can excuse it.



I guess we differ here, as well. No center-mounted tach and no real gauges, not even as an option. I hate to bring back all my complaints from two years ago.
I just expected all the rattles and cheap interior pieces, while boost gauges and so on would be an excellent add on, I'm still at ease with what Mitsubishi gave us! You act as if cars shouldn't rattle in todays world, you have to remember 80% of todays cars are nothing but plastic; plastic is a cheap and is bound to work it's way loose, creek, and so forth. Overall Mitsubishi killed two birds with one stone, the interior is cheap and light! If you want a better interior try the Galant, my Dads Endeavor is top notch and still rattles! My Mustang rattled as well as my Cougar, every time I bumped the steering wheel the CD player skipped. Needless to say "it is what it is", I wouldn't trade my EVO for any other car in the world.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtremist
You act as if cars shouldn't rattle in todays world, you have to remember 80% of todays cars are nothing but plastic; plastic is a cheap and is bound to work it's way loose, creek, and so forth.
My comments were not generated in a vacuum. I own more than one modern and none of them rattle. My IX doesn't rattle, neither does my Mazda, or even the relatively high-mileage Kia minivan. Designing and manufacturing plastic parts that do isn't exactly a step forward. That's the point.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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It sounds like the poster should have bought a Scion. He needs reliability, some good looks and something cheap to afford upkeep.

My car had a factory defect that was eventually fixed during its first month (leaky throw out bearing seal). I have had no problems since. I have some mods and tuning. I have autoxed and taken the car to the track with it and its a fun car. However, I really think it makes no sense for someone to buy this car if they don't intend to use it for high performance driving.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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At least most of us knew what we where getting into!
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