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OK now I'm really confused!!!
Could you please provide us more info and pictures thanks
I need it before HPDE which is on may.
Link: http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html
OK now I'm really confused!!!
Could you please provide us more info and pictures thanks
I need it before HPDE which is on may.
Link: http://www.soloracer.com/harnschrothfaq.html
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I called Schroth, and here is the response:
Schroth has no plans to do a Rallye-4 for Evo's. Apparently there is not enough interest, and the testing alone costs around $5000 for DOT certification. This really sucks, because that system is soooo convenient for the weekend racers of a DD car! You can still get the bullpin solution, but it isn't nearly as nice or clean as the Rallye-4......
Schroth has no plans to do a Rallye-4 for Evo's. Apparently there is not enough interest, and the testing alone costs around $5000 for DOT certification. This really sucks, because that system is soooo convenient for the weekend racers of a DD car! You can still get the bullpin solution, but it isn't nearly as nice or clean as the Rallye-4......
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You don't need a special version... just buy the Rallye4 and install it.
Now there's no way I'd be using this for daily driving... I just flip it around to the sides and use the 3 point around town.
You don't need a special version... just buy the Rallye4 and install it.
Now there's no way I'd be using this for daily driving... I just flip it around to the sides and use the 3 point around town.
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From the WCMA SoloII (Autoslalom) Rules.
2.4. Vehicle Safety
2.4.A Seat Belts
Seat belts must be installed and worn by the driver while on the course. The seat belt must be a minimum lap belt with a DOT or SFI approved metal to metal fastening mechanism. ‘CG Lock’ or other devices that lock the lap belt portion of the OE seat belt in place are also permitted.
In all A/B Modified Class vehicles, plus C/D Modified class vehicles 16 or more preparation points, a four (4) point safety harness or better meeting FIA/ISO standard No. 8853. 5 or 6 point harnesses meeting current WCMA Road Racing Regulation will also be acceptable. The following specifications are mandatory:
i) The restraint system consists of a lap belt and two (2) shoulder straps.
ii) The material of all straps shall be nylon or Dacron polyester and in new or perfect condition. The buckles must be of metal-to-metal quick release type except in the case of leg straps of a six (6) point system where they are attached to the seat belt or shoulder harness straps
iii) The shoulder harness shall be the over-the-shoulder type. There must be a single release common to the seat belt and shoulder harness.
iv) The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn downward from the shoulder point to an angle of forty (40) degrees with the horizontal.
v) In cases where the driver is in a semi-reclining position, the shoulder harness shall be attached so that the angle between a line drawn through the driver's spine and the shoulder harness is forty-five (45) degrees or greater.
vi) Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. "H" type configuration is allowed. "Y" type shoulder straps are not allowed.
vii) The minimum acceptable bolts used in the mounting of all belts and harnesses is SAE grade 5. Where possible, seat belts, shoulder harness and anti-submarine straps should be mounted to the roll structure or frame of the car. All harness mounting bolts must be of 10 mm (0.375")
shank diameter, minimum. If clip-in eyebolts are used, the clip must be secured with a cotter pin or lockwire to prevent accidental release.
viii) Where it is not possible to mount belts and straps directly to the roll structure or frame of the car and they must be attached to a structural panel for example, the panel must be suitable reinforced in a workmanlike manner to prevent distortion under load. Steel reinforcing plates
of adequate large area and thickness must be installed to prevent the belt attachment from pulling through the panel under load.
ix) Bolting directly to the floor panels, etc. without adequate reinforcement in not acceptable
x) The restraint system installation is subject to approval of the scrutineer.
xi) NOTE: Although only a 4 point harness is required in these classes, a full 5 or 6 point harness is strongly recommended.
xii) NOTE: In vehicles that will be street driven, it is strongly recommended that the stock seat belts also be left in place for street use.
In my opinion you're proposing a "Y" type shoulder strap which would not be allowed.
2.4. Vehicle Safety
2.4.A Seat Belts
Seat belts must be installed and worn by the driver while on the course. The seat belt must be a minimum lap belt with a DOT or SFI approved metal to metal fastening mechanism. ‘CG Lock’ or other devices that lock the lap belt portion of the OE seat belt in place are also permitted.
In all A/B Modified Class vehicles, plus C/D Modified class vehicles 16 or more preparation points, a four (4) point safety harness or better meeting FIA/ISO standard No. 8853. 5 or 6 point harnesses meeting current WCMA Road Racing Regulation will also be acceptable. The following specifications are mandatory:
i) The restraint system consists of a lap belt and two (2) shoulder straps.
ii) The material of all straps shall be nylon or Dacron polyester and in new or perfect condition. The buckles must be of metal-to-metal quick release type except in the case of leg straps of a six (6) point system where they are attached to the seat belt or shoulder harness straps
iii) The shoulder harness shall be the over-the-shoulder type. There must be a single release common to the seat belt and shoulder harness.
iv) The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn downward from the shoulder point to an angle of forty (40) degrees with the horizontal.
v) In cases where the driver is in a semi-reclining position, the shoulder harness shall be attached so that the angle between a line drawn through the driver's spine and the shoulder harness is forty-five (45) degrees or greater.
vi) Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. "H" type configuration is allowed. "Y" type shoulder straps are not allowed.
vii) The minimum acceptable bolts used in the mounting of all belts and harnesses is SAE grade 5. Where possible, seat belts, shoulder harness and anti-submarine straps should be mounted to the roll structure or frame of the car. All harness mounting bolts must be of 10 mm (0.375")
shank diameter, minimum. If clip-in eyebolts are used, the clip must be secured with a cotter pin or lockwire to prevent accidental release.
viii) Where it is not possible to mount belts and straps directly to the roll structure or frame of the car and they must be attached to a structural panel for example, the panel must be suitable reinforced in a workmanlike manner to prevent distortion under load. Steel reinforcing plates
of adequate large area and thickness must be installed to prevent the belt attachment from pulling through the panel under load.
ix) Bolting directly to the floor panels, etc. without adequate reinforcement in not acceptable
x) The restraint system installation is subject to approval of the scrutineer.
xi) NOTE: Although only a 4 point harness is required in these classes, a full 5 or 6 point harness is strongly recommended.
xii) NOTE: In vehicles that will be street driven, it is strongly recommended that the stock seat belts also be left in place for street use.
In my opinion you're proposing a "Y" type shoulder strap which would not be allowed.
Hopefully I'll be allowed to use it at HPDE?!!
BTW how do you get rid of the warning sound for seat belt when you using the harness at the track?
Last edited by Hassan!; Mar 29, 2010 at 04:03 PM.
not is not.
wear it first for a month and then came back and tell me that.
unless you drive your evo like an old lady, yes you need to stick your but and shoulders to the seat. g- force take your body to the sides, at the same time that you are trowing gears with one hand and clutching with one foot. i know some "natural guys" that can do it with eyes closed, i trust my schroth seatbelts. for me is a must in a fast car if you are going to enjoy it and pay our stupid insurance.
wear it first for a month and then came back and tell me that.
unless you drive your evo like an old lady, yes you need to stick your but and shoulders to the seat. g- force take your body to the sides, at the same time that you are trowing gears with one hand and clutching with one foot. i know some "natural guys" that can do it with eyes closed, i trust my schroth seatbelts. for me is a must in a fast car if you are going to enjoy it and pay our stupid insurance.
not is not.
wear it first for a month and then came back and tell me that.
unless you drive your evo like an old lady, yes you need to stick your but and shoulders to the seat. g- force take your body to the sides, at the same time that you are trowing gears with one hand and clutching with one foot. i know some "natural guys" that can do it with eyes closed, i trust my schroth seatbelts. for me is a must in a fast car if you are going to enjoy it and pay our stupid insurance.
wear it first for a month and then came back and tell me that.
unless you drive your evo like an old lady, yes you need to stick your but and shoulders to the seat. g- force take your body to the sides, at the same time that you are trowing gears with one hand and clutching with one foot. i know some "natural guys" that can do it with eyes closed, i trust my schroth seatbelts. for me is a must in a fast car if you are going to enjoy it and pay our stupid insurance.
I have my Schroth Rallye 4 ASM installed with the stock seat belts, and only use the harness during track days. On the street, I tuck them away!
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Furthermore, while the permanently installable Rallye-4 are available, it was the quick disconnecting ones that connect to existing seatbelt hardware that are not being made.
If you just want to be held tighter in your seat, look at the CG Lock.
http://www.cg-lock.com/
It offers the hold of a harness with the lap belt without the inconveniences, costs or risks associated with running a 4-point harness without any kind of additional roll over protection. I used one last year for over a dozen track days and loved it. At the end of the day I could remove it and put it in my center console for the drive home. Personally I wouldn't run a harness of any kind without at the very least a roll bar and ideally with fixed back seats, a 5 or 6-point harness setup and the airbag removed or deactivated.
Edit: Where in Canada are you? The Calgary HPDE events are starting in May as well. If you're local, you can try my CG-Lock as I don't need it anymore.
http://www.cg-lock.com/
It offers the hold of a harness with the lap belt without the inconveniences, costs or risks associated with running a 4-point harness without any kind of additional roll over protection. I used one last year for over a dozen track days and loved it. At the end of the day I could remove it and put it in my center console for the drive home. Personally I wouldn't run a harness of any kind without at the very least a roll bar and ideally with fixed back seats, a 5 or 6-point harness setup and the airbag removed or deactivated.
Edit: Where in Canada are you? The Calgary HPDE events are starting in May as well. If you're local, you can try my CG-Lock as I don't need it anymore.
Last edited by ambystom01; Mar 31, 2010 at 03:04 PM.
I also use the Schroth Rally 4 ASM in my car. It is a HUGE advantage in the AX or the road racing as it will hold you in the seat. Without a harness bar OR a roll bar / cage it is the safest harness available. Pete