Evo X Steering Feedback?
Jun 8, 2010, 08:57 PM
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Evo X Steering Feedback?
Question already answered, so I re-wrote and clarified original post to avoid misunderstanding :P
About a year ago I purchased a 2008 Evo X GSR. Having driven a handful of high performance cars in the past, the Evo X really impresses me even in comparison to cars that cost much more.
Over the course of a year, I've been slowly upgrading and changing the things that I, personally, didn't like about the X. The body roll, the stock exhaust, power, etc..
One thing, though, that proved to be more difficult to remedy was the feel of the steering. Having recently driven an IX for the first time, I can make a more reasonable comparison. I love the handling in the X, the AYC is fantastic, but the steering feel, compared to other performance cars I've driven (including the IX) felt somewhat numb in comparison. Ideally, I wanted the steering X to feel more like a IX without dramatically changing the suspension.
I mentioned the differences between the Evo X and it's comparison to the steering in the Lotus Elise or the Porsche 911, only in the sense where there is more 'informative, vibrational road feedback' which made it easier to feel the details in the surface of the road, and this kind of characteristic is what I was aiming at.
So, amongst a number of helpful recommendations in this post, I found what solution worked quite well for me. In addition to the swift springs, whiteline swaybars, whiteline roll center correction kit, and a good alignment that I already had on the car, I installed (with the helpful recommendations) the Perrin PSRS Zero, Robispec solid front bearings and the Robispec solid rear camber links. The solid front bearings and solid rear camber links I had to order via e-mail or phone, in case anyone is wondering why they're not on Robispec's website.
After those changes, the steering really feels more alive, and I can much more easily feel the surface of the road through the vibrational feedback provided through the wheel. There is more steering wheel vibration from the road surface, but that's definitely more to my preference. I personally think it feels a little better than the IX's now, and where the difference isn't massive, it is definitely noticeable.
Everyone's got unique preferences for these kind of things, no doubt. I'm sure some would find nothing wrong with the X's steering characteristics right out of the box, but me personally, I enjoy it much more after the changes I've made.
About a year ago I purchased a 2008 Evo X GSR. Having driven a handful of high performance cars in the past, the Evo X really impresses me even in comparison to cars that cost much more.
Over the course of a year, I've been slowly upgrading and changing the things that I, personally, didn't like about the X. The body roll, the stock exhaust, power, etc..
One thing, though, that proved to be more difficult to remedy was the feel of the steering. Having recently driven an IX for the first time, I can make a more reasonable comparison. I love the handling in the X, the AYC is fantastic, but the steering feel, compared to other performance cars I've driven (including the IX) felt somewhat numb in comparison. Ideally, I wanted the steering X to feel more like a IX without dramatically changing the suspension.
I mentioned the differences between the Evo X and it's comparison to the steering in the Lotus Elise or the Porsche 911, only in the sense where there is more 'informative, vibrational road feedback' which made it easier to feel the details in the surface of the road, and this kind of characteristic is what I was aiming at.
So, amongst a number of helpful recommendations in this post, I found what solution worked quite well for me. In addition to the swift springs, whiteline swaybars, whiteline roll center correction kit, and a good alignment that I already had on the car, I installed (with the helpful recommendations) the Perrin PSRS Zero, Robispec solid front bearings and the Robispec solid rear camber links. The solid front bearings and solid rear camber links I had to order via e-mail or phone, in case anyone is wondering why they're not on Robispec's website.
After those changes, the steering really feels more alive, and I can much more easily feel the surface of the road through the vibrational feedback provided through the wheel. There is more steering wheel vibration from the road surface, but that's definitely more to my preference. I personally think it feels a little better than the IX's now, and where the difference isn't massive, it is definitely noticeable.
Everyone's got unique preferences for these kind of things, no doubt. I'm sure some would find nothing wrong with the X's steering characteristics right out of the box, but me personally, I enjoy it much more after the changes I've made.
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Jun 8, 2010, 09:39 PM
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I'm no driving expert....
But the main difference you're comparing to MR cars. That alone can change how the car gives you feedback. Turn-in and everything else is different, so maybe the AWD is making it "easier" hence the lack of "feedback". My friends always gives me $#!+ about AWD is for handicaps. Since it's literally drives for you w/o much fight.
But the main difference you're comparing to MR cars. That alone can change how the car gives you feedback. Turn-in and everything else is different, so maybe the AWD is making it "easier" hence the lack of "feedback". My friends always gives me $#!+ about AWD is for handicaps. Since it's literally drives for you w/o much fight.
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I absolutely love the way the steering wheel feels in a Porsche 911 or Lotus Exige, and where I realize it is probably near impossible for an Evo to totally mimic the steering feel of such a car as a 911 or Lotus, I know I can get the Evo closer than it is stock.
What would you guys recommend to help improve steering feedback? Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.
What would you guys recommend to help improve steering feedback? Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.
Better then 911/Lotus in my book and many others, including Porsche owners that bought Evo's as second cars.
But you have a 10....
Stiffer sidewall tires, sway bars, good alignment will do wonders...
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Jun 8, 2010, 09:58 PM
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I'm no Evo expert....
Most of what you've mentioned are mearly "natural" traits of the way the car is designed, it's AWD, and well the fact that it's not a mid or rear engine rear wheel drive like your Lotus or 911.
Go drive a STI and you'll regain your appreciation for steering feel that the Evo X provides.
Most of what you've mentioned are mearly "natural" traits of the way the car is designed, it's AWD, and well the fact that it's not a mid or rear engine rear wheel drive like your Lotus or 911.
Go drive a STI and you'll regain your appreciation for steering feel that the Evo X provides.
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This definitely makes sense for the weight of the steering and how much, as you say, it fights back, especially for the Exige because it has no power steering. From what I can understand, this would just affect the weight of the steering, and how the steering responds during dramatic handling changes, right?
I was more referring to, rather, the feedback from the road surface. The more 'vibrational' type of wheel feedback, rather than the 'fight back in corners' feedback.
My goal, I guess, is to be able to feel the road surface through the steering wheel, if that makes sense. For example, the 911 I have driven, it's power steering has generally the same weight in casual driving as the X but it is much more descriptive of the road surface.
Do you know what I mean?
From what I know, stiffer linkages like those provided in the Perrin PSRS or something similar could improve this specific characteristic.
I have installed aftermarket swaybars, and it's set at a great alignment right now, which dramatically improved the car's handling, but not much the steering feedback that I'm referring to.
I was more referring to, rather, the feedback from the road surface. The more 'vibrational' type of wheel feedback, rather than the 'fight back in corners' feedback.
My goal, I guess, is to be able to feel the road surface through the steering wheel, if that makes sense. For example, the 911 I have driven, it's power steering has generally the same weight in casual driving as the X but it is much more descriptive of the road surface.
Do you know what I mean?
From what I know, stiffer linkages like those provided in the Perrin PSRS or something similar could improve this specific characteristic.
I have installed aftermarket swaybars, and it's set at a great alignment right now, which dramatically improved the car's handling, but not much the steering feedback that I'm referring to.
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Get rid of your front sway bar, add a Perrin PSRS, Whiteline Roll Center Kit and Robispec solid front bearing. I have done all this to my Evo X MR and it made a world of difference. I got the Zero offset PSRS because I didn't want to grind my control arms down. I had an Evo 9 MR before and my X MR now feels every bit as good if not better steering wise after doing these things.
I see you live in Seattle too, so we can get together and you can see what I mean. I am going to a BSCC track day in Bremerton on Friday. You are welcome to come check it out there too.
I see you live in Seattle too, so we can get together and you can see what I mean. I am going to a BSCC track day in Bremerton on Friday. You are welcome to come check it out there too.
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Get rid of your front sway bar, add a Perrin PSRS, Whiteline Roll Center Kit and Robispec solid front bearing. I have done all this to my Evo X MR and it made a world of difference. I got the Zero offset PSRS because I didn't want to grind my control arms down. I had an Evo 9 MR before and my X MR now feels every bit as good if not better steering wise after doing these things.
I see you live in Seattle too, so we can get together and you can see what I mean. I am going to a BSCC track day in Bremerton on Friday. You are welcome to come check it out there too.
I see you live in Seattle too, so we can get together and you can see what I mean. I am going to a BSCC track day in Bremerton on Friday. You are welcome to come check it out there too.
Also, do you have a link to the Robispec front bearing?
I would love to come by Bremerton to check it out although I'm moving tomorrow and I suspect I'm going to be pretty busy
But, hopefully I'll get a chance to make it!
Jun 9, 2010, 09:08 PM
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The PSRS makes a little noise, so do the robispec solid front bearings. I already have AMR coils with solid bearings, so I didn't notice that much more noise or harshness after upgrading the control arms with those parts. If you are not going to track the car just get some Swift springs, Whiteline RCK and a 25mm rear sway bar and you will be really happy.
You have to call Robi if you want the solid front bearings.
Come out to Bremerton in the afternoon when it is supposed to be dry. I will be in the black X MR chasing the silver 9 MR.
You have to call Robi if you want the solid front bearings.
Come out to Bremerton in the afternoon when it is supposed to be dry. I will be in the black X MR chasing the silver 9 MR.
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Get rid of your front sway bar, add a Perrin PSRS, Whiteline Roll Center Kit and Robispec solid front bearing. I have done all this to my Evo X MR and it made a world of difference. I got the Zero offset PSRS because I didn't want to grind my control arms down. I had an Evo 9 MR before and my X MR now feels every bit as good if not better steering wise after doing these things.
So, I had done what you recommended, in addition to the swaybars, springs, and whiteline RCK I had installed, I added the Perrin PSRS Zero, Robispec solid front bearings, and also the Robispec solid rear camber links.
And the car feels great now. Really, it feels so much more alive and intuitive; it feels more like I'm reaching my hand out and feeling the road surface as I'm driving along. I didn't really notice any difference in ride comfort, and just barely, a tiny bit more road noise.
Awesome suggestion, so, thanks for that. To anyone else looking to improve steering feel in the X, mystery solved.
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I still have both aftermarket front and rear swaybars installed, although both are adjustable so I have the front set at the softest setting, and the rear set at 'medium' for street use and 'stiff' for tracks.
Also, if you're looking for the solid front bearings (or the solid rear camber links) some Robispec parts need to be ordered via phone or e-mail.
I just did all the ordering via e-mail and paypal so he should be able to hook ya up that way.
Also, if you're looking for the solid front bearings (or the solid rear camber links) some Robispec parts need to be ordered via phone or e-mail.
I just did all the ordering via e-mail and paypal so he should be able to hook ya up that way.