I can see where this thread is going GSR vs. MR

And if you drive an MR you are not manly, the SST is weak, slow, blah, blah, blah

To the OP, if the '10 MR suits you; SST, wheels, suspension, slightly relaxed cruising, interior, etc then consider it an upgrade.

 

I can relate, I went back and forth quite a bit before making my decision. Fortunately I was able to take both out for a good test drive. For me, the decider was that I didn't like the way the SST felt starting out from a dead stop, like it was bogged down for just a bit before taking off. Of course with the GSR you can work the clutch for a "more spirited" start (not talking about a launch, just a zippier take off). However, when I am stuck in stop and go traffic, it would be really nice to have the SST.

So without getting into a shart-storm over the word "upgrade", I would say really think about what you like and what you want to do with and get from the car. It sounds like you have found a pretty good deal if you decide to "make a lateral move to an alternative form of gear selection".

 

Why does everyone say **** like "Ah its better in traffic, relaxed cruising blah blah" No theres no excuses to justify getting the SST over a real manual, the only argument should be if you just dont want a stick, and if you dont, get an MR, and like i said before i came from an SST equipped vehicle and it is an amazing transmission, its really not a hassle drivin a stick in traffic, I drive in **** IE traffic, the 91, and 405 (which is unbelievably terrible)

Also The upgrades on the MR can easily be put on the GSR anyway if that is your concern

 

I am coming from STi and bought MR prior to my GSR. I thought I could get used to it automatic but boy was I wrong!

I hated it and had to trade it for GSR and I am glad I did. Every time I find myself in front of the steering wheel I giggle like a school girl.

 

MR-T owner here and i have to say the SST is an awesome transmission....

yes from a stop it has a slight hesitation.

the only things really different of the two is:

- SST is computer controlled shifting as apposed to full manual shifting.

- Two clutches to one clutch

- 6 speed to 5 speed

- power handling lower when stock (but just like a normal manual you can change out the clutches to handle more power)

- cooling is more important when pushed hard

- the comment of the 5 spd is funner to drive than the SST is highly debatable.

To the manual fan-boys out there might as well get use to the semi- automatics or computer controlled manuals or whatever their called, cause it is the future of automobiles. Even motorsport racing is adopting more and more of these types of transmissions as well as auto manufactures: Ferrari, Maserati, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Lexus, Volkswagen, Honda, Mitsubishi, Even Subaru makes an STI with a similar transmission as the SST.

P.S dont forget the world is ending tomorrow so party hard tonight....

 

I would never trade my MR in for a GSR. Love the sst. its aggressive but neat. and the manual mode is fun, and the car is a beast in sport mode, well mine is anyway with my mods ha

 

The MRs SST is what makes me interested in the X. Watching WRC and F1 and seeing how fast shifts can be made is really cool. Consider how much more concentration can be put towards a braking zone without fiddling around with heel-toe. Also on a peaky engine it is easier to stay in the power band with a fast SST.

 

Gotta have the stick, its not the same without it. In my opinion to clutch and shift is half the fun of driving.

 

If you are thinking about trading in you will more then likely get screwed on the trade in. Dealers will make money coming and going, so expect to pay more then you think.

You should just be happy with the GSR, I don't think there's enough difference between the two to really justify taking a loss and trading in an '10 for an '10 unless you really can't live with the manual transmission.

 

Thanks for the opinions guys, I guess the thing that interests me the most about the MR is the amount of options it has installed over my base GSR which has none. I would pay at least that as much as I would be paying after the trade in to have those things added to my GSR. As far as the sst vs manual argument goes, I do like the 5-speed in the GSR (well minus the grinding and notchiness when the car is cold) but I'm not entirely opposed the sst as the car is my daily driver so the sst would be nice for those high traffic situations. My plans for the car include simple bolt-on's and a canned tune, nothing too crazy because I want the car to remain reliable, so the high hp/tq limitations of the sst aren't really a big deal for me. I guess I'd really have to give the MR a thorough test drive to see how it compares to the GSR.

 

My opinion on the manual vs tc-sst, if you only have one car and use it to commute to work, the tc-sst is awesome. It is the most driver friendly dual clutch on the market, giving you complete control until red line, remembers when you press it twice, doesn't baby you, etc.

I'm not one to say that shifting during traffic is painful or anything, but there definitely is a time when shifting is fun, and a time when it is like work. Shifting in heavy traffic situations is definitely not fun, and if that's where you are spending most of your time, there's no point getting a manual especially with an awesome transmission like the tc-sst around as an option.

That said, if I was going to get a second car and use it as a sports car, I would absolutely buy a manual. There is no substitution for general fun factor then a manual transmission IMO.

 

I also hear that a lot, that F1 cars and racing is going towards that, again, that is not an argument, first of all, who cares?

Using the clutch yourself is different then a computer controlling it, no matter what, it is its own feeling and experience, and it gives a closer connection between the car and the driver, there are no excuses to get either the SST or the manual, PERIOD, the only reason would be that you dont want to operate a clutch pedal yourself, and that is understandable, but dont debate with bull**** excuses.

Although yes, there is no doubt the SST with twin clutches will shift faster then a conventional manual, but thats not a reason to disown a stick shift.


I am also not hating on Automatic transmissions, I owned 2 autos before I had my first stick and one was an TC-SST trans (And I know the SST is not considered an a normal automatic, its a twin clutch blah blah blah)

 

if you track a car with FIA rules about displacement/hp/torque then yes it makes sense to have paddles, cause you will know what hp you have to be at. Personally for me i felt that since i was going to heavily modify the car the hp would change and i wanted one less variable out of the equation. The manual would give me more peace of mind as virtually any shop can handle a 5 spd transmission fix if i blew it. If you brake the SST, how many people can service that?

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

automatic is automatic and will always be automatic i crack up when i hear people ask other people is that stic or auto and they reply no its dsg or sst
So enjoy the MR and yes enjoy the auto cause the reason your getting a auto is cause you like it more then stick and that is perfectly fine.