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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:16 AM
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How do you heel-toe in an X? It is impossible in my experience. I rev match when downshifting, but heel toe is something that I can't do in my car.
Crazy... You must heel/toe. It's not just for the health of the transmission, you must to maintain the weight balance of the car when at speed. If you don't and then let the clutch out at turn in you will displace the car when you add all that torque all at once. you would have to slow down too much to get the revs down low enough to not shift the car balance.

When on the brake with your right ball of your foot, roll the edge of your foot to add throttle after you've depressed the clutch. The key is to keep even pressure on the brake while blipping/ rev matching with the throttle. Shift and then let the clutch out, release the brake and add more throttle.

You need to practice. Wearing racing/ or at least good driving shoes helps. We pulled off the rubber/aluminum covers and screwed on aluminum pedals allowing us to shift the brake and throttle a little closer. This helps, and if you are tracking the car regulary, is the right solution.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
No you are not. The stock transmission works with syncros. The name alone explains itself.
I do rev matching to keep the car balanced before or in the turns if its neccesery. Other words keep the car attitude on the smooth side.
This, and more succinct than my post.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnr352
Crazy... You must heel/toe. It's not just for the health of the transmission, you must to maintain the weight balance of the car when at speed. If you don't and then let the clutch out at turn in you will displace the car when you add all that torque all at once. you would have to slow down too much to get the revs down low enough to not shift the car balance.

When on the brake with your right ball of your foot, roll the edge of your foot to add throttle after you've depressed the clutch. The key is to keep even pressure on the brake while blipping/ rev matching with the throttle. Shift and then let the clutch out, release the brake and add more throttle.

You need to practice. Wearing racing/ or at least good driving shoes helps. We pulled off the rubber/aluminum covers and screwed on aluminum pedals allowing us to shift the brake and throttle a little closer. This helps, and if you are tracking the car regulary, is the right solution.
This x1000

I think too many kids watch videos where the people ACTUALLY use their heel and their toe, but in my experience unless you have VERY small feet, you're doing extra work. Just hold the brake with about half of your foot, and hit the gas with the other half by rolling your foot off the brake a little. This has actually been one of the EASIEST cars I have ever done this with.

As for WHEN you hit the gas, doing it as the gear slips into the gate seems to be the most effective for me.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
Our transmissions are syncronized. Just shift down when its neccesery.
there is no reason to rev match the transmission in the evo, that is a reason why its syncronized for gear selecting. Hence you can get " locked" out.
Many many people.actually does run slower times on tracks because they pay too much attantion on the rev matching.

Rob
What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying you downshift without rev matching?

Even when I under-rev my downshifts, I feel bad for my transmission...

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This x1000

I think too many kids watch videos where the people ACTUALLY use their heel and their toe, but in my experience unless you have VERY small feet, you're doing extra work. Just hold the brake with about half of your foot, and hit the gas with the other half by rolling your foot off the brake a little. This has actually been one of the EASIEST cars I have ever done this with.

As for WHEN you hit the gas, doing it as the gear slips into the gate seems to be the most effective for me.
What size feet do you guys have?

This is my first manual car, most of my driving is done commuting to and from work in dress shoes, and when I'm not going to work I'm wearing Nike Air Max 90s (which definitely are not driving shoes). I've only put about 3 minutes into trying heel-toe, but my feet seem too big. Maybe I need some driving shoes? Also, my knees hit the steering wheel when I attempt a heel-toe... I sit pretty far away from the steering wheel, but because I'm tall my knees still hit the steering wheel. Maybe I need to move further back?

I want to learn heel-toe very badly because there are even times in daily driving the evo where it would be very helpful..
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:14 AM
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I totally agree with John and Rob. I like to rev match just to practice a smooth transition, but the X's pedals make it really difficult. It was way easier in my old STi.

Mitsu just thinks people have like a size 6-8...my size 12.5 just seems to not have enough movement room.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:22 AM
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Heal toe baby
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kreeker
What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying you downshift without rev matching?

Even when I under-rev my downshifts, I feel bad for my transmission...



What size feet do you guys have?

This is my first manual car, most of my driving is done commuting to and from work in dress shoes, and when I'm not going to work I'm wearing Nike Air Max 90s (which definitely are not driving shoes). I've only put about 3 minutes into trying heel-toe, but my feet seem too big. Maybe I need some driving shoes? Also, my knees hit the steering wheel when I attempt a heel-toe... I sit pretty far away from the steering wheel, but because I'm tall my knees still hit the steering wheel. Maybe I need to move further back?

I want to learn heel-toe very badly because there are even times in daily driving the evo where it would be very helpful..
I'm tall (6'3" - and I like sunsets, and long walks in the park- but I digress) and getting the seat positioned properly took a bit. With a racing seat (Sparco Pro2000) this problem is eliminated as the brackets were welded in so the seat fits me. So, yes, slide the seat back and wheel so your knees don't hit. My shoe is about 11.5 but wear a racing shoe. If you are wearing sneakers make sure the sole doesn't extend or flair out. That would make it very hard. Invest in racing shoes and get used to them.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlade
I totally agree with John and Rob. I like to rev match just to practice a smooth transition, but the X's pedals make it really difficult. It was way easier in my old STi.

Mitsu just thinks people have like a size 6-8...my size 12.5 just seems to not have enough movement room.
I suspect it is your shoe and not your foot.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnr352
I suspect it is your shoe and not your foot.

My feet really are huge. I'm 6'2" and nearly 290lbs. I actually like to wear an old pair of shoes I have because they are super thin in the material and the soles are completely worn out just because driving in my newer shoes or DrMartens is magic when it happens.

I totally can brake with half my foot and roll the throttle with the other half but, it really was --way-- easier in the GD subies. Just very minor pedal placement differences.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 07:09 AM
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This is what I do but not the rev matching part since I dont even know when to match it. But now everyone is saying heel toe which is a little harder for me lol

Originally Posted by Robevo RS
Clutch in
Tap the gas(rev match)
Drop the gear
release the clutch
Pedal to the metal/carpet.

The right order.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 07:13 AM
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This is what I do but not the rev matching part since I dont even know when to match it. But now everyone is saying heel toe which is a little harder for me lol
Heel and toe is revmatching.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 07:21 AM
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Rev match it
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
Heel and toe is revmatching.
Cool thanks Rob. Ill test out my noobish skills lol
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 09:24 AM
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Cool thanks Rob. Ill test out my noobish skills lol
Just be clear, you do not have to heel-toe to rev match. What I do is brake (so I put less strain on drivetrain), let go of brake, clutch-in & rev in a fluid motion, lower gear, release clutch. Then if I need to brake some more, I repeat. This is a "nub method", and is slower than heel-toeing, but is a similar concept.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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Cant you just do it without breaking at all. I would think that hitting the brakes would slow you down even when heel and toe. Cant you just downshift from 5th to 4th by:

Clutch
drop it in 4th
gas
then release clutch

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Just be clear, you do not have to heel-toe to rev match. What I do is brake (so I put less strain on drivetrain), let go of brake, clutch-in & rev in a fluid motion, lower gear, release clutch. Then if I need to brake some more, I repeat. This is a "nub method", and is slower than heel-toeing, but is a similar concept.
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