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Old May 12, 2013 | 04:23 PM
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Yes. To be clear: why a manual and not a good 3-port?
What's wrong with an MBC? Why run an EBC? All it does is allow you to hold boost in upper RPM's. What does that accomplish, blowing more extremely hot air into the engine?

EBC's are nice units when used properly, but are they necessary, no.
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Old May 12, 2013 | 04:48 PM
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Yes. To be clear: why a manual and not a good 3-port?
I have friends who run them with zero issues and great results. I see no reason to deviate from what works. Especially with such a simple build at this point.
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Old May 12, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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Programmable, RPM-specific boost would seem to be better than fixed boost.
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Old May 12, 2013 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa999
Programmable, RPM-specific boost would seem to be better than fixed boost.
Not like you're fighting traction with the how small the turbo is. No reason to limit boost.

I could see preventing a boost spike in a high gear, but with proper driving habits that you should have anyways for the sake of the clutch, it should be a mute point.



Both options work great and I would go with what ever your tuner recommends for your situation.

/end of me in this thread
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Old May 12, 2013 | 08:03 PM
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I'm gonna go ahead and say going from a tuned mx-5 to an Evo X is going to be weird as far as road feel. And you aren't going to get the same feeling no matter what.


I had my '03 evo viii tuned exactly how I think you would like it. Sure my stock Evo X mr can out-handle it, but if you are wanting what I think you are wanting, that's the way to go. Just be sure you get one with a vicious coupling center diff with life still in it.


Evo VIII (natural mechanical diffs with an open front diff are very smooth and predictable - no electronic wizards/nannies). Eibach pro springs and MR shocks. turbo-back exhaust, tune, panel filter, and some 17x9 wheels with near R-compound rubber. That's really the only thing that will be an upgrade to the feeling of a tuned MX-5. No mivec, no front helical diff, no electronic center diff. And all the raw feedback and linear progressive limits to be in perfect harmony and balance. That car was a natural extension of me, and what it lacked in performance, it made up for with raw road-connectedness. I did many track days, auto-x, etc. no electronic was really fun. True drivers car.


The IX and X trump the absolute limits of that car, but at the expensive of feeling.
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Old May 13, 2013 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by articzap
Not like you're fighting traction with the how small the turbo is. No reason to limit boost.
Trying turning at the same time. Then you'll find that the OE turbo is plenty big enough to break tires free, especially if you treat the gas pedal as an on/off switch.
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Old May 13, 2013 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ClockwerkOrange
I'm gonna go ahead and say going from a tuned mx-5 to an Evo X is going to be weird as far as road feel.
The above is in contention for understatement of the year.

Not that it didn't need to be said.
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Old May 13, 2013 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by articzap
What's wrong with an MBC? Why run an EBC? All it does is allow you to hold boost in upper RPM's. What does that accomplish, blowing more extremely hot air into the engine?

EBC's are nice units when used properly, but are they necessary, no.
EBCs can also adapt to weather changes. MBC can not. MBC can become dangerous if you don't have knock sensor and or wideband and you're driving in far different conditions than tuned in. Humidity and temp can affect a tune. EBC can adjust accordingly to it.
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Old May 13, 2013 | 08:12 AM
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I started with a Cobb TBE and AP. This is an absolute must have. It made a huge difference.

Then I put on an AMS intake and UICP. I like the sounds but not a huge increase without the custome tune.

Next I'm getting an IC, 3 port, and custome tune. I'm also going to put the works short shifter kit.

For suspension I am going to get springs and sway bar.

For finishing touches I might put some CF pieces on.
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Old May 13, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by migs647
EBCs can also adapt to weather changes. MBC can not. MBC can become dangerous if you don't have knock sensor and or wideband and you're driving in far different conditions than tuned in. Humidity and temp can affect a tune. EBC can adjust accordingly to it.
I've been running a MBC for a while now and haven't ran into any issues. I rarely drive it during summer cause of the 100+ AZ heat. And since it's going into track mode, there are events during the summer I wanna participate in. So to adapt Im eventually gonna get a grimmspeed 3 port just to be safe.

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Old May 13, 2013 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ClockwerkOrange
I'm gonna go ahead and say going from a tuned mx-5 to an Evo X is going to be weird as far as road feel. And you aren't going to get the same feeling no matter what.


I had my '03 evo viii tuned exactly how I think you would like it. Sure my stock Evo X mr can out-handle it, but if you are wanting what I think you are wanting, that's the way to go. Just be sure you get one with a vicious coupling center diff with life still in it.


Evo VIII (natural mechanical diffs with an open front diff are very smooth and predictable - no electronic wizards/nannies). Eibach pro springs and MR shocks. turbo-back exhaust, tune, panel filter, and some 17x9 wheels with near R-compound rubber. That's really the only thing that will be an upgrade to the feeling of a tuned MX-5. No mivec, no front helical diff, no electronic center diff. And all the raw feedback and linear progressive limits to be in perfect harmony and balance. That car was a natural extension of me, and what it lacked in performance, it made up for with raw road-connectedness. I did many track days, auto-x, etc. no electronic was really fun. True drivers car.


The IX and X trump the absolute limits of that car, but at the expensive of feeling.
Very interesting observation. Keep in mind, I have 2 Miatas... a '95 and a 2011. It's the '11 I'd be changing for the Evo.

The 2011 MX-5 is much better and much more fun, to me at least, than the '95. I'm actually working on an article comparing both, so I'm not going to go too much in detail.

However, even if I get the Evo, I will always have the '95 Miata to tune to my liking. Of course, I'd miss the already better performance, fun and little exotic looks of the NC... but you can't have the cake and eat it too, right?
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Old May 14, 2013 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kiteboarder
Very interesting observation. Keep in mind, I have 2 Miatas... a '95 and a 2011. It's the '11 I'd be changing for the Evo.

The 2011 MX-5 is much better and much more fun, to me at least, than the '95. I'm actually working on an article comparing both, so I'm not going to go too much in detail.

However, even if I get the Evo, I will always have the '95 Miata to tune to my liking. Of course, I'd miss the already better performance, fun and little exotic looks of the NC... but you can't have the cake and eat it too, right?
honestly it'll be a good swap. the evo x is a great car and you're going to throughly enjoy it, and in my opinion you're going to have more fun in the evo than you will in the MX-5. anyways best of luck to you man
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Old May 14, 2013 | 09:38 AM
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The guys at Cobb Socal told me they would definitely go with a 3 port EBC over a MBC. I would go with whatever my tuner felt he was more comfortable with.
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Old May 14, 2013 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by e_kobz
honestly it'll be a good swap. the evo x is a great car and you're going to throughly enjoy it, and in my opinion you're going to have more fun in the evo than you will in the MX-5. anyways best of luck to you man
^^^ Thanks. I really needed to hear that.
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Old May 14, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bigmatt33
The guys at Cobb Socal told me they would definitely go with a 3 port EBC over a MBC. I would go with whatever my tuner felt he was more comfortable with.
I'll stick to what my wallet is comfortable with But on serious note tuners do offer good advice, most of the time. Just find a tuner you like and establish a good relationship with them
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