So I'm wanting to tune my 2014 MR, and was going to go one of two ways with it.

1. Tune it 100% stock with Kozmic Motorsports
2. Add a drop in filter and an EBCS then get a tune

I understand that I can add a bunch more parts and tune all at once, but wanted to get a little something (stock tune is just depressing) then get a re-tune later next year with other supporting parts depending on what I felt it needed.

So would it be worth it to add an EBCS and drop in filter prior to tuning or is there no real reason if I'm otherwise stock?

Thanks -

 

Get a cosworth filter pannel, a 3port EBCS, an AMS downpipe and intercooler piping then a tune :-)

 

Negative red leader, I am not wanting to go 'all in' right off, hence the thread lol. I don't want to spend more than $200 over the cost of the tune until next year when I can add more stuff.

 

I was in the same situation before. I got tuned with a panel filter, 3 port, and testpipe. If I will do it again I would include CBE and Intake, just saying.

 

My understanding is you can get quite a bit of power just stock, and I'm not looking at spending over a grand on this at this time... so I am really just wanting a bit more kick but don't know if the EBCS is worth doing if otherwise stock, or the panel filter if it is even worth it, hence the thread.

I completely understand and support piling on mods then tuning, and intend to do just that with a re-tune down the road when I get said parts. But to do downpipes and testpipes adds hundreds to what I am looking to do RIGHT NOW to give my car a bit better power and performance.

Can we please just stick to the parameters of my question? I'm very aware test pipes are great, as are intakes, BOV's, larger intercoolers, UICP etc.. But I'm looking at just a BASIC tune on a STOCK EVO X with maybe a MINOR part here or there. (EBCS / Drop in filter)

Thanks!

 

Why don't u get a drop in filter for now and not get the car tune until u gather all your parts. A tune is going to run you about $500 bux.

 

This. Most filters do not need a tune with them and will not cause any problems without one. Kind of a waste of $$ to get a tune with barely any parts, and then have to get another one in a year or so. I waited until I had all the ic piping and full exhaust to get a tune.

 

A stock car with just a tune can net 50hp / 50ish tq, why wouldn't I do that 'for now' then go bigger later if I think it's necessary? I wouldn't tune if the gains weren't there to be had, but 50/50 is pretty good return on investment.

I'll post up here my before and after, I'm scheduling a tune for mid November. I'm going to get the EBCS and drop in and have a dyno before / after. Tuning with Kozmic Motorsports in Houston.

We'll see if it was a waste in a few weeks!

 

Looks like you made up your mind. I went the AP route. Anyway, let us know how it turns out.

 

I was told by Kozmic that I HAVE to have a test pipe added to tune the car at all, that they need somewhere to tie in for AF readings and I can't tune the car without it.

Then that leads to 'well you should get a fuel pump' etc.. So 1500 to tune the car which is more than I want to spend right now.

Really just wanted a simple basic tune but apparently that's not possible? Not sure how others got tuned without a test pipe and the mods I listed?

Hyper disappointed I'm so bored with the stock power on this thing it's depressing.

 

That does not seem right to me. Does the shop not have an external wideband they can hook up to your tail pipe? Although its probably not ideal if you have the cat still on. You can always have a bung welded on your downpipe for a wideband. Another option is to get an access port and run their maps based on the mods you decide to install.

 

Same shop told me to not waste my money on an Accessport because I have an MR. They are a very reputable shop with huge name recognition as being the experts on the SST transmission. I guess they have a version of 'doing it right' that they want to adhere to. Also welding onto the downpipe would be costly, so I may as well add the test pipe at that point.

Oh well, just going to leave it stock for forseeable future. Maybe I'll sell it next year or something. Stock is so boring at this time it's not even funny.

 

They might be reputable and correct... but they are still a shop and might just be trying to up-sell you. YES - you can make up to a ~20% increase in power on a stock evo with a tune. Most shops have A/Fs they can put in or plug in and use EvoScan to tune. However, you stated you wanted something reliable until youre ready for a real tune. Any stock tune, im pretty sure is going to be very fuel heavy since there is limited additional air that they can tune in to the A/F mix. So there goes your fuel economy, even worse than it already is. I dont know why he wants you to have just a test-pipe and a fuel pump upgrade. Most staged upgrades do not require any fuel pump changes until you go beyond Stage 3...he may have meant fuel relay. If I were you, I would just grab a $500 Accessport, tune to Stage 1, get that little extra boost, and then chill until you're ready to get an exhaust/intake/downpipe etc. You should not have any need to change your Fuel Pump at this time. Their shop just might not like the COBB Accessport, but 90% of Evo shops will specifically use that to tune your car. Not to mention it will store you stock settings, and backup multiple tunes instead of just having a flat 1-time tune where you lose your Factory ECU data.

Accessport is tuning the ECU not the SST, im not sure what the connection here is. Then again, I drive a GSR. This just doesn't seem related to me.

Edit: grammar

 

just buy a used accessport and run stage 1 or stage 2 it will feel like a brand new car. It is a night and day difference!

 

This is actually a tough question to answer.

The mods you listed (panel, ECBS, and Tune) are about the best bang for your buck mods you can do.

Here are a few things to consider. If you have 91 OCT, or your at elevation, or you DD long distances, I think its worth it to get a tune regardless of any mods. I'm in CO, with 91, and my car knocked a bit on the factory tune and MPG was not great. I had more mods when I got tuned, but from I have seen, MPG and Knock will improve regardless with a good tune.

As for the panel filter and ECBS, I say get them. They are among the best bang for the buck mods you can get, and are pretty cheap. You will always need the ECBS, so may as well get it now. The panel may get replaced later, but its a pretty low cost item if you end up replacing it.

Just my $.02