That one is does matter.
But the nit picking about 30 - 50 lbs it doesn't. In a reality no one can feel that different weight in a street car. If you say it otherwise, i think its a flat out lie, specially if your car over 3300 lbs from the begin whit without the driver. I cant feel 50 - 60 lbs difference doesn't matter how hard i try. Specially because it is not a rotational weight.

The main difference in about as many describes it as a "feeling " CT9A vs X is the additional AYC etc. For the USA guys, because they didn't had it before.
All around the world the different comes from mainly the car different body drive train dimensions etc.
Also the out side of the USA the X's are lighter because they do not have a USA spec safety metals and spare tires etc.

Also remember the X RS if you are really a weight crazy.
But a whole argument is kind of moot, because the weight when you talking about 100 lbs difference it does rally matter if we talking about a same chassis - engine etc car.
But here is where this argument fails, the X is not share the same chassis - engine - etc with a CT9A . It is a completely different car.

So to make this short and more clear:
For an example ( just being a dick) with this idea the Subaru should be a better car because it is lighter then any of these cars we talking about here , and faster etc. But it doesn't....

So then what happened with a weight ?

Ps: never mind the fact there is literally who talks about weight and argues, never get to the stage in any-form with his car where actually 100 lbs would make a difference... I know i am not there for sure.

 

Your argument that "extra weight doesn't really matter" runs contrary to pretty much ever form of motor racing.

Let me ask you this? If you had the option to choose between a 1200 kg rally car (the WRC limit) or a 1500 kg car (the approximate weight of a X), which would you choose? Its a no brainer and pretty much unravels your weight doesn't matter philosophy.

 

60 lbs not making a difference relates to choosing a 660 lb lighter car how?

 

there is a minimum weight limit in any rally class, where Evos running. In Fact most of ANY races where they are. Twist of this one ANY Evo can meet those minimum weight limits.... So lets do this again, and circling back to the why in street car and if you really wish real race car weight difference is moot. Evo X vs older. Of course every one likes the lighter car in a same Chassis specially. But the miata is not better then a Evo . lol Not for me

 

i am not sure i follow this. sorry.

 

Because every pound counts, whether its 60 or 600. The position that extra weight doesn't matter is not supported by science. Just because you can't "feel" the difference, doesn't mean there is no difference.

If you really believe a heavier race car is better, then I will not try to convince you otherwise.

 

no you making things up. no one ever said that.

 

I was responding to your post that it is nit picking to be concerned about weight which you cannot "feel". The general tone of your posts seem to downplay the role weight plays. When in fact it affects everything. Acceleration, breaking, cornering, steering response, tire wear, gas mileage, etc.

You clearly know a lot about cars and driving. Which is why I find some of your statements so confusing. I know you like the X, and I agree its a good car.

I just think it would have been better if it was lighter.

 

i am clearly talking about street car here, not a race car. i even said street car to make it clear. i hold my statement true. not a racing circumstance you cant fell 60lbs difference in the 3300lbs+ street car. Unless you put that 60lbs in one point , like a sand bag. But that is not a case here.

weight is everything in racing , hence that is why we have weight rules even in go-kart racing.
As long as the car can meet with them you cant blame a car for being heavy in racing. You only can blame your valet or your build and planning.
and i do 100 % agree with you opinion about would be better if it would be lighter in street form.
But as i said the X is a different car as a IX ,so the IX weight vs X is kind of pointless. Specially if you think the X track speed stock vs stock. Just in there alone proves my point. never mind the MR times vs the GSR in stock form... With that logic still the Evo 1 would be a best of all, with the amazing weight it has as a stock car.( Curb weight, 1,170–1,240 kg (2,579–2,734 lb) ) but in the reality the heaviest evo would drive around it.

so as i said weight is very important but you only can really argue about it if you talking about a same cars, Hence many people see the X as they IX just heavier. The X is nothing like a IX, besides the badges.
Doesnt even drive, or as you like feel a same.

The Evo VIII vs Evo IX weight argument would be fair or the VII. But again the VI is even closer to the IX as the IX to a X.
You have to understand that. That is why i bought up the STI for easier to understand the bullet point i try to make it here . LOL

about the the performance in street form Evo IX vs X.

racing is about money and build. so alll gloves off. specially in the evo field.
No one ever will tell you the V is better then a IX but still as you showed the V can be a champion. that makes a V line the best evo ever? NO .

 

The Evo line lost its way by trying to be more civilized. It got bigger, heavier, more expensive, and chock full of unnecessary options. Further and further away from the race bred creations that early WRC homologation rules brought to life.

Watching cars race that people could relate to, and even actually go buy, is what helped make the WRC wildly popular. The rules switch that led to ultra expensive unattainable cars corresponds to the drop in popularity (both in viewers and participating manufacturers).

Hopefully Group R will be the revival the sport needs.

 

Lets just say this. No evo will ever remain stock. (unless you are in that .1%)

With that being said:

1) If you want a mid-high level mod'd evo to drive around and feel like u are in a race car everyday with that absolute raw feel then you want the VIII or IX.

2) If you want a car you can one day do that to.. but still feel like it has all of the extras that a 2014 car should have.. then you want the X.

I've had a IX and a X. I use to miss my IX and almost bought another one. But I thought about it.. and just liked the other things about the X for DD. It just works better.. and stock handling vs. mod'd ix ... there is a difference. And this is coming from a guy that had KWs on the IX with professional setup that took almost 3 years for me to be 100% confident in it. (and at time it would still feel like the car was trying to kill me. ) But on day one the X (although it limits some of your control.. it gets the job done. And it just takes time to be confident in the ECU.. but when you do.. its a safe but puckering moment. lol... )

No matter what it all comes down to what you want and when you want it. I'm older now and its not about point to point racing. But I still like to out drive myself once I see the opportunity.

If you value what comes with the car and what you can get in it from day one... X will out weigh some of your options. but if you are that race car driver and you love the raw feel... you could always add a few things. However, the reason you like raw is because its all the way raw not partial.

I hope this rant helps.

 

Sorry to veer off topic, but did the car have any optional equipment? (like fastkey, HID lights or Rockford stereo)? I'm assuming it's a base model if you bought it with rallying in mind but thought I'd ask . Was the car weighed with full tank of gas?

 

Curb weight (US English) or kerb weight (UK English) or unladen mass is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables (e.g., motor oil and coolant), a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.

 

It is a base gsr. the gast tank full or not, i have no clue, it was 6 years ago.

 

WRC is quite did different... there is literally no WRC car you can buy in the store.

Group n is where the street cars are. and there is the X a king. and yes beats the IX more the the opposite way look it up. but this also been Discussed many times. links etc.

ERC and IRC was actually created to trying to keep and going back the original rally ideas. like you see cars racing which actually exists at your dealer and you can buy...

go and buy Ken Block awd 1.6l turbo Fiesta at your dealer. Or you awd turbo vw Polo or the Citroën awd turbonC3... They don't exist period.

so...
anyhow this is way off topic now.
I said what I have to. buy what you like just don't talk fullish about the other car that's all. love them all since they are all Evo and they belong a great heritage.

press on Rob