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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 05:28 AM
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Evo x Mr build advice

Hey Everyone this is my onyx black 2011 evo x mr. completely bone stock sitting at 67k. Bone stock did the 60 k fluid changes she is spoiled well maintained and never tracked. I’ve got a love hate relationship with this car. I worked my butt off like everyone else to obtain my dream car. Got this car in the summer of 2018. I live in a small town in South Carolina. 2 hours from Charleston and Columbia. So finding a dyno tuner is rough. Just like everyone else I got the car for its potential for power. Now I’m used to the car and I wanna go fast I want mo powwwaaa baby. But so scared to put anything to push this sst.I have seriously modest goals I want 400atw hp as much torque as I can get without worrying about sst problems down the road. I’ve looked at Cobb ots performance packages ams performance packages and ETS performance packages. And honestly I’ve done research and I just don’t know. My brother has a 400 hp evo x gsr that’s currently down for a couple of reasons. But has advised me not to pursue power until the tranny is either upgraded which living in sc I don’t even know where to start shelling out money to even get the ball rolling. Mechanics out here don’t even know what a evo is. They’ll procharger a mustang but don’t have a clue when it comes to awd 4 cylinder god. So basically I just want a reliable compromise between power and not crying 2 months from now I wanna dd which is maybe 50 miles a week. I wanna have aem Gauges and making 400 hp reliably. So I either wanna upgrade the tranny tear it out and send it to kosmic or just sell the evo x and move on before I pour tons of money into it and just be disappointed. I’ve seriously gotten to the point where I could sell the car get a manual 350z and I understand it is what it is and have the burden of a sst behind me. Any thoughts or ideas.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 07:45 AM
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Here is a link to my stock block pretty basic build/results: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...turbo-kit.html

There isn't really anything weak in the trans on the MR. Its mostly just upgrading the clutches to handle the power. The trans it self is stout. I would 100% recommend Kozmic. basically you can send them your trans. They will install the clutches, new seals, do a valve body test and upgrade it so it makes more line pressure and after they do all that they put it in their test car and run it on the dyno to make sure it shifts right, holds pressure like it should and is 100% functional before sending it back.

If 400AWP is your goal an 18k will do the trick but I would recommend an ETS 5558 Gen 2 kit personally because like most I am sure you will want more down the road. The benefits of a turbo kit over a stock frame turbo are nice. They typically make more power per PSI and control boost better being an EWG.

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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 08:42 AM
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I don't see the SST as a burden at all, I see it has a huge advantage on the track.

Do not go with the AMS tune. Been there, retunes are way too expensive and the Cobb Accessport doesn't hold a candle to Evoscan and ECUFlash.

Here's my current power related setup for 340w/330tq, tuned by Chet Rickerman

AEM Cold air intake
ETS FMIC 3.5"
ETS Upper/Lower Intercooler piping
ETS High Flow Catback Testpipe
Greddy RS Race Single exit Cat back
Cobb EBC - This should be the first upgrade on an MR since they handle boost very differently and make it difficult to dial in
Prosport AFR and Boost gauge
Radium Catch can on the PCV side.

Also most of the suspension by Fortune Auto, Whiteline and Custco

I daily drive this car 50 miles per day, 5 days per week and have put on 40,000km (bought it at 60,000km) and it's NEVER let me down. (knocks on wood)

AWD/AYC/Dif fluid changes every 40,000 km, oil every 5000.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ETS Michael
Here is a link to my stock block pretty basic build/results: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...turbo-kit.html

There isn't really anything weak in the trans on the MR. Its mostly just upgrading the clutches to handle the power. The trans it self is stout. I would 100% recommend Kozmic. basically you can send them your trans. They will install the clutches, new seals, do a valve body test and upgrade it so it makes more line pressure and after they do all that they put it in their test car and run it on the dyno to make sure it shifts right, holds pressure like it should and is 100% functional before sending it back.

If 400AWP is your goal an 18k will do the trick but I would recommend an ETS 5558 Gen 2 kit personally because like most I am sure you will want more down the road. The benefits of a turbo kit over a stock frame turbo are nice. They typically make more power per PSI and control boost better being an EWG.

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Appreciate the feedback guess I’ll be working on getting someone around here that can handle getting the trans out with me and ship it kosmic and start gettting familiar with a e tuner and software. Thanks a lot
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RevMaynard
I don't see the SST as a burden at all, I see it has a huge advantage on the track.

Do not go with the AMS tune. Been there, retunes are way too expensive and the Cobb Accessport doesn't hold a candle to Evoscan and ECUFlash.

Here's my current power related setup for 340w/330tq, tuned by Chet Rickerman

AEM Cold air intake
ETS FMIC 3.5"
ETS Upper/Lower Intercooler piping
ETS High Flow Catback Testpipe
Greddy RS Race Single exit Cat back
Cobb EBC - This should be the first upgrade on an MR since they handle boost very differently and make it difficult to dial in
Prosport AFR and Boost gauge
Radium Catch can on the PCV side.

Also most of the suspension by Fortune Auto, Whiteline and Custco

I daily drive this car 50 miles per day, 5 days per week and have put on 40,000km (bought it at 60,000km) and it's NEVER let me down. (knocks on wood)

AWD/AYC/Dif fluid changes every 40,000 km, oil every 5000.
Awesome. So what what’s the process in which your started modding your car cause everything I look at involved a tune wanted to do intake and exhaust just as a start but needed a tune. I hate the idea of ots tunes every car is different and every driver is different. So in theory ots tunes should work but different cars and drivers have different ideas on how they intend to drive their cars and their goal. What was your first stage for your car. Tires and suspension was mine followed by brakes. Just buying better brake pads. I’ve gotten to power now and I’m completely been discouraged most of the forums and research because this sst has been a nightmare for some and a dream for others. I kinda feel like it’s a mix of bad drivers beating on this tranny and expecting it to last and whine when it breaks cause it’s expensive to fix. Take care of your car and build it the right way and it will last. I’m going to be patient on this one I’m 34 now so hopefully I’ll get to 400 hp before I’m 40.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 10:13 AM
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If you didn't mind a little drive Dyno Time is in NC not to far from you. He can pull the trans and do the tuning.

or if you wanted someone to remote tune the car M-Tuned can tune the stock ECU and is probably one of the best remote tuners for the MR around.

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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banda
Awesome. So what what’s the process in which your started modding your car cause everything I look at involved a tune wanted to do intake and exhaust just as a start but needed a tune. I hate the idea of ots tunes every car is different and every driver is different. So in theory ots tunes should work but different cars and drivers have different ideas on how they intend to drive their cars and their goal. What was your first stage for your car. Tires and suspension was mine followed by brakes. Just buying better brake pads. I’ve gotten to power now and I’m completely been discouraged most of the forums and research because this sst has been a nightmare for some and a dream for others. I kinda feel like it’s a mix of bad drivers beating on this tranny and expecting it to last and whine when it breaks cause it’s expensive to fix. Take care of your car and build it the right way and it will last. I’m going to be patient on this one I’m 34 now so hopefully I’ll get to 400 hp before I’m 40.
I started with handling and then onto power. I had very specific goals in mind, understanding that the fuel accessibility was going to be the ultimate daily driving limiting factor.

Save your power stuff for 1 shot, 1 tuning session. Go cold air intake, high flow cat or test pipe (depending on local laws) cat back exhaust (yes it affects the tune) upper/lower pipes, Cobb or Grimmspeed Boost controller as your first "stage".

Then pick the fuel that the most accessible and tested for exactly what the tuner expects. I had to go with 91 ethanol free (Canada 93/94 is garbage). If you have access to great 93, stick too it. 93 will take the car too it's drive train torque limits anyway.

Then pick your tuner. Chet Rickerman is godlike.

After that, you'll want to go with a 10 clutch pack, valve body and shift fork 2 and 4 upgrade to handle anything over 346lbs of torque, which is what Getrage rates them for.

Then you're on to turbo, manifold, downpipe (not needed on stock turbo), intercooler...and a greatly diminished savings account
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 11:40 AM
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Thanks brother

Originally Posted by ETS Michael
If you didn't mind a little drive Dyno Time is in NC not to far from you. He can pull the trans and do the tuning.

or if you wanted someone to remote tune the car M-Tuned can tune the stock ECU and is probably one of the best remote tuners for the MR around.

- Robert
Defiantly gonna check them out Thanks for the advice.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 03:13 PM
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I second Dyno Time they are the only shop I let touch my MR.
Im at 300/307 with ETS UICP LICP and turbo back, and headed back in the spring to tune for my new ETS 4" IC.
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Old Feb 25, 2020 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Spinks8824
I second Dyno Time they are the only shop I let touch my MR.
Im at 300/307 with ETS UICP LICP and turbo back, and headed back in the spring to tune for my new ETS 4" IC.
that’s almost a 4 hour drive for me I’ll have to hit them up idk about driving that far with mods installed on a basic map but idk something to consider if I choose to go that route thanks for your time and input.
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Old Feb 26, 2020 | 04:02 AM
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Don’t worry about the SST yet. Just do your regular flushes and you will be fine. I wouldn’t even think about pulling it.

Get some quality parts like listed in this thread from ETS or somewhere. As far as a tune, I would look up Chet like mentioned already. You will be happy and learn more about tuning the car. He will explain everything and you’re car will be running great until the next round of mods you want to do.

I live in Augusta, GA. So I know what you mean about not having many options about shops down here.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 11:57 AM
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Don’t worry about the SST yet. Just do your regular flushes and you will be fine. I wouldn’t even think about pulling it.
This. I had a 500 hp clutch pack installed at Jacks, they found a bunch of other problems and ending up paying $9K for a rebuild. Been three years since and I'm still on stock power.
If you really want to get the full potential out of the car, IMO first thing would be some Ohlin R/T coilovers, I went way too long before making that upgrade.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GotKT?
This. I had a 500 hp clutch pack installed at Jacks, they found a bunch of other problems and ending up paying $9K for a rebuild. Been three years since and I'm still on stock power.
If you really want to get the full potential out of the car, IMO first thing would be some Ohlin R/T coilovers, I went way too long before making that upgrade.
I regret going with Fortune Auto’s over the Ohlins.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RevMaynard
I regret going with Fortune Auto’s over the Ohlins.
People that say Fortune Autos work great don't know what good suspension is supposed to feel and work like.

That said, all depends on what you want out of coilovers.
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