This argument never wins. Even with the mod list you posted a GTR will spank the crap out of a X. Straight line, braking, cornering, highway, etc.

X's with 420whp aren't even close to a stock GTR in a straight line.

400whp- 11.79@117mph
450whp-11.71 @119mph

Even if you take all the money to put in the GTR and mod the evo, you have an unreliable money pit.

Ill take the GTR all day, but for less than the GTR you can have a 996 porsche turbo. I'd rather have the GTR, but I'd save the loot and take the porsche.

 

My Evo was around $45K out the door and I've dumped another $10k into it already. It isn't a power difference that makes the car different. Any car can be made to go fast. The power of the GT-R isn't what I loved. I have had faster cars. The Evo can also handle itself just fine when it comes to handling comparisons. The way the cars feel at high speeds, however, is a completely different story. I also just happen to love the aesthetics of the GT-R over any car.

 

I used to feel this way until I drove a GT-R for the first time. The car is awesome, well built and just a blast to drive. As much as I love Evos, I would love to own a GT-R too. But in addition too, not instead of. The look of a low slung coupe is tough to beat with a sedan and the GT-R just has so much tech and so much of a supercar feel, but for 80K it had better.

I don't like the whole "Well if ya put 10K in an X, it'll be faster then Y for less money" argument, but I truly believe when all is said and done and all the JDM tuners crack all the codes and strip out all the extra weight and add all the big power mods to both the X and GT-R, that it will be the Evo that will be the fastest in terms of time attack.

 

Help me understand how 420whp evo x isn't even close to a 473bhp car with almost 400 more pounds in a straight line?

The FP Red setups are proving very reliable. I'm not sure where you got the money pit idea from. Unless you're talking about taking all 40 grand difference and putting it into the evo. In which case I can see that.

Where are you getting the idea that the GT-R will spank an Evo X in cornering? From everything I've seen the Evo X wins on the skid pad (not by much). Braking, you're probably right. Highway, again I'll bite on that one. But cornering and straight line on a cheaply modded evo I just don't see it.

 

I've only been in a GT-R once and it was during some slightly spirited driving. I don't think we really did anything above 80mph. But I'm surprised there is a noticeable difference in high speed driving. With my Evo X MR I've noticed high speed driving is incredibly smooth. I feel like I'm doing 60 at 130+. But I did come from a VIII and there was a difference there.

I was speaking for the MR base which is $32k.

I completely understand about the aesthetics.

 

Not many cars come close to the GT-R at 80+ mph when it comes to experiencing the benefits of aerodynamic design. The Evo is just fine at higher speeds, but the GT-R is on a different planet. It is also hard for cars like the Evo to keep up with bigger engine cars at higher speeds. A 480 hp Evo isn't going to have the same kind of powerband as a stock GT-R and will definitely get slaughtered as speeds rise, much like a GT-R does by the likes of a ZR-1 or Mercedes CL65.

As much as I love my Evo, it is hard to capture all the elements of a car like the GT-R simply through upgrading. The GT-R truly feels like a car that was built from the ground up asa cutting edge performance car. That being said, the Evo is an amazing car and shouldn't have to be any other car to stand on its own as one of the best performance cars available.

 

very nice pics. both cars are amazing. where did u go take the pics? ive been looking for a spot myself

 

At Mercy Hospital. Right by the lake in the back. Security guards are a pain in the *** though... I m going to look for some more places at work, and Downtown.

 

GTR looks and drives unreal...I've driven one and there is no comparison on stock form. Not even close.

 

The mods you listed don't come out to "way less than $5k" and don't include labor. Stock GT-Rs trap 120 mph. You might get close to that with your 420 whp X, but you're sure as hell not going to "have a car the GT-R will have issues keeping up with."

In any case, even if those mods did make a X beat h a GT-R in a straight line, you're living in a dream world if you think a stock X has "about the same handling" as a GT-R. Skidpad grip means very little.

Stock GT-Rs have beaten C6 Z06s, 997 Turbos, and 997 GT3s in head to head tests. A stock GT-R has lapped the Nurburgring in under 7:30. Meanwhile, the X lost to a Cobalt SS in a head-to-head test and got DEMOLISHED by a CTS-V and M3 around a WET track.

So by all means, love your Evo. I love mine. But keep your head out of the clouds.

 

Injectors: $350
Turbo: $1400
Turbo Back Exhaust: $1000
Intercooler Pipes + Intercooler: $1000
Tune: $250
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Total: $4000

Would you like urls for each product to prove the prices? All of those are bolt ons... but if you want I'm sure you could find a shop to bolt those on for under $500. $4500 < $5000 last time I checked.

Why don't you ask the person that has owned both cars about the handling... he's already stated twice the handling is very similar.

With the evo X being driven by an amateur driver and the other two being driven by professional drivers. Not to mention a simple $250 tune would have made it a much different case.

Don't think it's in the clouds at all when you're talking performance to price comparison.

 

Ouch! you paid 45K for your car?

 

That was with tax, title. etc. Seemed completely reasonable to me. I think that's about the going rate for a 2010 MR toruing with nav.

If you want ouch... I paid $95K out the door for my GT-R 2 years ago.... and I can't wait to do it all over again.

 

The DSG style trans in the GTR account for part of it, powerband may be another. Also, I think the ~480hp in the GTR is underrated, they dyno around 420 stock.

I've seen .99g skipad and 74+mph slalom for the GTR. Not sure about the evo, but I doubt its as quick. Braking the GTR kills the evo.

You do have a point, I'm not trying to discredit you but I do think its comparing apples to, well, super apples. No matter what you do to the evo, I think the GTR will always be king. Its just like comparing the ralliart to the evo. Just not the same.

 

Very nice pictures. Both clean cars but Evo needs drop.