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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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well the SE is a 2010 model. you can verify it by looking at the 10th digit of the vin in the windshield. if it's an "A" then it's a 2010. 2011s are "B." still very cool that you saw one, I did know they were out but hadn't seen one yet. I like how they're in blue! If the MR was in blue i'd have got that in a heart beat over my GG, but i still love my color!
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 12:34 AM
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I would buy this solely for the 2-piece rotors, lol. This is nice though, I see where Mitsu was taking it. Those that would like to comfort of the SST but don't want to pay the MR price.

I like my SST but it should've had the 5-speed option IMO.
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lancerarmstrong
well the SE is a 2010 model. you can verify it by looking at the 10th digit of the vin in the windshield. if it's an "A" then it's a 2010. 2011s are "B." still very cool that you saw one, I did know they were out but hadn't seen one yet. I like how they're in blue! If the MR was in blue i'd have got that in a heart beat over my GG, but i still love my color!
yes, here is the vin chart if anyone is interested.http://mitsubishicars.com/media/owners/pdf/10VINs.pdf
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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Get off it. If you don't want change, then stay stuck in the past. I own an EVO IX MR, with a 6 speed (which was the last generation's SST in terms of hate). it's a GREAT transmission, and a GREAT car. The new EVO X, love it or hate it, is a GREAT car, and the SST is a GREAT transmission that has been praised by everyone who's driven it. including professional race drivers.

BUT, because you random forum folk have a problem with it because you've NEVER DRIVEN IT, and don't even UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, I should just say it's garbage as well.

you guys need to grow up and learn more about these topics before coming in here talking all this BS.
I think there would be alot less flack about the MR if Mitsu would just allow a manual MR option. Right now you are holding the goodies hostage with a transmission not everyone likes (despite its technical capabilities).

That being said, if we ever get a chance to see a high HP MR doing some decent redneck burnouts there will be some converts. I'm no 1/4 mile fan, but I'm guessing that 500HP SSP evo will get murdered in the quarter because of the launch (or lack there of). Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the MR is great on a road course but for folks DD'ing these things they want to get off the line reasonably. Lets see some cud chewing redneck burnouts
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 10:37 AM
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SST is nice don't get me wrong, but I would kill for a 5speed. I'm saving up to get a GSR asap.. the RA doesn't cut it. Maybe the SE might be diff but paddle shifting sucks.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
that doesn't even make any sense. this is EVOM. the members here own EVO's and buy EVO's. Save my money for what if not an EVO? This will most likely be the next car I own. The SE's got the options I want, and doesn't have the options I don't want.

Directed to everyone, not directly at the person I quoted above: I want speed. Someone in here please argue with me that these aren't as fast or faster than the IX's around just about any autocross or road course stock for stock. Also, someone please lie to me and tell me that these things don't make more power than the IX's mod for mod. Lastly, someone else come in and make a fool out of themselves by saying that the SST can't hold more than 350hp, and that there are no upgrades for it.

Get off it. If you don't want change, then stay stuck in the past. I own an EVO IX MR, with a 6 speed (which was the last generation's SST in terms of hate). it's a GREAT transmission, and a GREAT car. The new EVO X, love it or hate it, is a GREAT car, and the SST is a GREAT transmission that has been praised by everyone who's driven it. including professional race drivers.

BUT, because you random forum folk have a problem with it because you've NEVER DRIVEN IT, and don't even UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, I should just say it's garbage as well.

you guys need to grow up and learn more about these topics before coming in here talking all this BS.
lol you need to take a chill pill

also, regarding your answer to my post... all I said is, for 35 thousand dollars Mitsubishi could have done a bit better by adding a METAL badge instead of a sticker... this is what they do with their FQ-versions:



you see that? it's metal... my comment has nothing to do with the fact that an Evo is, and will always be an Evo...

again, take a chill pill
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jazket
the fact that an Evo is, and will always be an Evo...


If Mitsubishi wants to make money and different offerings, then no problem! The EVO is and will always be an EVO. Get whatever trim model EVO you like.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jazket
lol you need to take a chill pill

also, regarding your answer to my post... all I said is, for 35 thousand dollars Mitsubishi could have done a bit better by adding a METAL badge instead of a sticker... this is what they do with their FQ-versions:



you see that? it's metal... my comment has nothing to do with the fact that an Evo is, and will always be an Evo...

again, take a chill pill
You do realize that that metal badge is in fact a plastic with chrome paint lol. I actually prefer the raised decal in that I wax my car alot and the chrome paint polishes off the plastic emblems easily while the decal will never lose its color. I honestly can't believe someone is complaining about the 'SE' logo. The hate manufacturing around here sometimes is ridiculous.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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I wish you would have taken a picture of the stickers. I wonder what the mark up was on the add ons.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by j0shth3j3w
I wish you would have taken a picture of the stickers. I wonder what the mark up was on the add ons.
i don't know about the black one, but the blue one didn't have any markups. it was just MSRP + destination
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jazket
lol you need to take a chill pill

also, regarding your answer to my post... all I said is, for 35 thousand dollars Mitsubishi could have done a bit better by adding a METAL badge instead of a sticker... this is what they do with their FQ-versions:



you see that? it's metal... my comment has nothing to do with the fact that an Evo is, and will always be an Evo...

again, take a chill pill

I'm good. people need to stop complaining about things that don't matter. i don't have a high tolerance for petty bs.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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I feel compelled to comment, ODUB, I hope you can take a little constructive criticism. After all, we're just sharing our experiences and opinions, right?

Originally Posted by ODUB
What other MR stuff did you want on the car? Personally, I didn't want any of that extra comfort stuff just to add weight. I just wanted the transmission.
I personally would like to have had an option to take the nicer seats, the two piece rotors, and the BBS wheels.

Those who are resistant to change get left behind. The transmission is not an automatic. It is a dual clutch manual transmission. The driver has full control of the gear selection, AND it shifts faster than you can. Now if you just enjoy having a clutch, that's fine, but this transmission is a better manual transmission. To call it an automatic is basically admitting that you have no idea how it actually works or what it's capable of.

Lastly, someone else come in and make a fool out of themselves by saying that the SST can't hold more than 350hp, and that there are no upgrades for it.

Get off it. If you don't want change, then stay stuck in the past. I own an EVO IX MR, with a 6 speed (which was the last generation's SST in terms of hate). it's a GREAT transmission, and a GREAT car. The new EVO X, love it or hate it, is a GREAT car, and the SST is a GREAT transmission that has been praised by everyone who's driven it. including professional race drivers.

BUT, because you random forum folk have a problem with it because you've NEVER DRIVEN IT, and don't even UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, I should just say it's garbage as well.

you guys need to grow up and learn more about these topics before coming in here talking all this BS.
The SST is something I would never consider, because I want an Evo that is ~430whp and 400tq capable on pump gas. With something like a cammed BBX, the tuners are having to neuter the tunes on big turbo SSTs, because the clutches can't take the midrange torque.

In a recent Roundel magazine where they tracked a fully stock MR, and after just a few laps, the "slow down" came on to protect the transmission from overheating and stripped all the power away. While the MR might be nice for a hero run, even a tuned + exhaust car on a hot summer lapping day risks the transmission constantly going into limp mode.

I don't want a transmission that is extremely expensive to service and modify, launches much softer than the three pedal GSR, and goes into "slow down" limp mode when my non-SE GSR will keep going lap after lap after lap.

That's not being ignorant, that's voting with my wallet.

There was a "save the manuals" blurb at the start of the September C&D. If we all just throw up our arms in surrender, we're all doomed to be forced to take SSTs. I want a choice! In the same token, I don't think the SST should be taken away, but people like us should have the opportunity to take what we like.

If you are going to stay light mods and don't track your car to the point you'd get disappointed with limp mode, have at it! I still say the SST is a total compromise for the Evo community that wants more serious mods.

Originally Posted by ODUB
Also, someone please lie to me and tell me that these things don't make more power than the IX's mod for mod.
The Xs do make a bit more power, but not nearly enough to offset the 300 pound weight handicap. Take if from someone who has owned an VIII, an IX, and two Xs.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 06:43 PM
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well put, ODUB.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 09:40 PM
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I feel compelled to comment, ODUB, I hope you can take a little constructive criticism. After all, we're just sharing our experiences and opinions, right?

you never criticized me in these posts lol you did, however, make some very good points.

I personally would like to have had an option to take the nicer seats, the two piece rotors, and the BBS wheels.



The SST is something I would never consider, because I want an Evo that is ~430whp and 400tq capable on pump gas. With something like a cammed BBX, the tuners are having to neuter the tunes on big turbo SSTs, because the clutches can't take the midrange torque.

In a recent Roundel magazine where they tracked a fully stock MR, and after just a few laps, the "slow down" came on to protect the transmission from overheating and stripped all the power away. While the MR might be nice for a hero run, even a tuned + exhaust car on a hot summer lapping day risks the transmission constantly going into limp mode.

I don't want a transmission that is extremely expensive to service and modify, launches much softer than the three pedal GSR, and goes into "slow down" limp mode when my non-SE GSR will keep going lap after lap after lap.

That's not being ignorant, that's voting with my wallet.

The guys from GST posted some interesting findings about the SST. It wasn't the clutches that's the problem. It's the TCU that causes the slippage problems, and limp modes. when they pulled the stock clutches to upgrade to the SSP packs, the stockers weren't damaged at all.

The limp mode is also a computer problem that can be tuned out. The upgrades from what I've seen aren't any more expensive than the upgrades people do to the standard 5 speed when they are building for high hp.

As for you being ignorant, you're correct. You're not ignorant. You actually have legitimate reasons for not wanting the SST. That's fine. Everybody has preferences, and your opinion is actually based on facts about the transmission (although as I pointed out, there are ways to fix the problems you have with the transmission that might make it appeal to you). The ignorance I was talking about are the people that know NOTHING about the transmission, don't care to learn, and just hate it because it's cool to hate "automatics."


There was a "save the manuals" blurb at the start of the September C&D. If we all just throw up our arms in surrender, we're all doomed to be forced to take SSTs. I want a choice! In the same token, I don't think the SST should be taken away, but people like us should have the opportunity to take what we like.

If you are going to stay light mods and don't track your car to the point you'd get disappointed with limp mode, have at it! I still say the SST is a total compromise for the Evo community that wants more serious mods.

I'm not asking that anyone surrender to the clutchless manual transmissions. I LOVE my 6 speed. All I'm asking for is that people give the new technologies the respect, and credit they deserve for the advantages, potential, and the possibilities they present for the future. The disadvantages are being corrected. I understand all of your concerns, but if these can all be fixed with tuning/upgrades that don't cost any more than you would have spent upgrading your traditional transmission, why wouldn't you consider it? the people that hate it for stupid reasons, and then continue to hate it even when you can prove to them that their reasons are invalid, those are the ones I have problems with.

The Xs do make a bit more power, but not nearly enough to offset the 300 pound weight handicap. Take if from someone who has owned an VIII, an IX, and two Xs.

The weight handicap in my opinion isn't as big of an issue for me because of the fact that in stock form the X is faster than the VIII and IX around just about any autocross or road course. So, if it's faster in stock form even with the extra weight, then it's going to be that much faster mod for mod, not counting the fact that it makes more power than the earlier ones with the same mods. The only place the weight seems to come into play is on the drag strip, which to me doesn't matter anyway.



My responses are bolded. Thank you for the well written discussion with ACTUAL concerns about the X/SST, instead of the baseless bs that most people come up with.
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:30 AM
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Hey ODUB,

Thanks for the nice response. When I said the clutches couldn't take it, I should have said the software that assigns what they should handle couldn't take it.

Where I have the main problem with the transmission, even (especially?) when the turbo is upgraded substantially, is that it still cannot compare to the manual in ability to get moving in first gear. The highest powered MR in the country makes over 500whp and is running mid-high 12s in the 125mph+ range! Granted, this is due also to throttle plate closure in first gear, but that car is pulling 2.6 second sixty foot times. Certainly you understand that even in autocross and spirited driving that a useless first gear is detrimental to performance. A Honda Fit can even do better than a 2.6 second sixty foot! A manual Evo with 200whp less can equal those ETs. Of course the trap speed is much lower, but the ability to "get there" is not available yet in the SST. Note also the fastest SST is stuck in the twelves while the fastest manual is in the nines.

Even though the problem is an electronic one and not a mechanical one, the end result is the same. Until the programming deficit is overcome, we won't be able to see the mechanical limitations of the SST.

I agree with you that drag racing is not my main goal with these cars, but it is a great way to quantify power. I'd say you agree, or you would not publish your quarter mile times in your signature. As this pertains to the SST, if someone is tuned to 500whp but cannot utilize it, what is the point of making that much power? I can understand pioneering things and hoping for the software to be rectified so everything falls into place, and I applaud that MR owner for not being afraid to try.

But I say all this in that I absolutely do not agree that the SST is on anywhere near the level of the manual in the terms of performance yet. I also think the SST's cost of upgrade is a lot higher than a manual's upgraded clutch, diff pins, and IX master cylinder.

There are still way too many unknowns and too much risk right now.
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