The 5-speed is fine for me, on the street and at the racetrack. As I understand it, the 6-speed in the MR has the same 1st and 2nd gears as the 5-speed, so that Mitsu could keep the 0 - 60 mph time and get there in 2nd gear. 6th gear is the same as 5th gear in the 5-speed. So they just scrunched down 3rd, 4th and 5th in the 6-speed to cover the same ground as 3rd and 4th in the 5-speed. I don't see that as an improvement.

 

It can help in certain situations where 2nd and 3rd aren't geared quite right. It will help 3rd spool up more quickly.

But you pay for it with weight and reliability.

 

Those specs as well as this thread, is yet the dumbest Ive heard on the forum EVER. Straight-line performance (which is more what all of us want, since not many will go on a track) RS is obviously the quickest. It offers everything the MR and GSR (as far engine) but only much lighter. Now if this thread was "which one is faster MR or GSR", that would be a toss up. Considering they both weigh about the same and the MR 6spd is usless considering you prob gonna race till about 80 or 100, 5spd gonna help actually b/c theres less shift resluting in faster times.

 

When the RS first came out, Motor Trend tested it 0 - 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. That seems pretty optimistic, and must have involved some serious clutch abuse, but I still like that number.

 

Well now do you guys see my dilemma?

After all that most people aren't even sure. I know what my signature says and that’s exactly what I'm trying to find out. "The answer to this question"?!!!

Which on is faster the MR or the RS

After doing the calculations the RS is faster in my Eyes.

Lighter weight and almost the identical gear ratios as the MR
I also noticed that shifting the RS is easier compared to the MR
MR you actually have to pull and push when shifting, mostly because of the inline six-speed shifter that is pretty standard with most six-speed trannies.
The RS you only have to angle your wrist when shifting. I find the five speed a lot easier especially shifting from 2nd to 3rd gear. The five-speed tranny has more of an angle shifting design. So from 1st to 2nd it's straight down and from 2nd to 3rd it's angle right up.

Basically the reason for this thread was to get everyone else's opinion. But not only that, to justify the reason why one model is faster than the other.

Unfortunately Mitsubishi will not give me a straight answer, (mostly because almost every one who works for MMNA in the USA knows nothing about the logistics of the car. But when talking to experts who drive the cars professionally they say hands down the US version of the RS is faster than the US version of the MR

Hey that’s my to cents

But like I said in other threads if I had to do it all over again, (or better put, "If I new the RS version was coming to the US before I bought on 03 GSR") I would have gotten an RS.

Those of you that are considering purchasing a new Evo I recommend an RS. Then put all the different options you would like on it. I would still be cheaper in the long run. Heck you would save so much you could paint the car any color you want. (and it wouldn't have any orange peel).

If your interested let me know I can make it happen

Anything you add to your car at the time of purchase can be financed under the same loan
(Example: If you wanted to add a spoiler or power windows and locks it would all be financed under the same car loan).

Call me or pm

Joe Hill
310-429-4478

 

So this was all a sales pitch? In the immortal words of Eric Cartman, "I call shenanigans!!!"

 

Motortrend got 4.5 to 60 and a 13.0 @105 out of the VIII when it first came out. All three cars would be a drivers race, they are all within a tenth or so. All Evo's seem to average about a 13.4-13.5 in the quarter.

Shane

 

Ok I admit it was a little bit directed towards a sales pitch

But I have many customers asking this very question.

Personally I think the US MR version is not worth the money.
The major positive about the MR is a limited production vehicle will hold its value longer. But I bought my vehicle with the intention of keeping it till the end of time.

I'm just trying to let the consumer know there is a cheaper and possibly better alternative to the MR.

Not to down play the MR our store sold 10 this month. I try to switch some of my customers to the RS and explain the benefits but some of the time there caught up in the Hype. Only the true enthusiast understands this type of debate.

Mostly I'm trying to improve the outlook on the Evolution community.


I'm currently negotiating with MMNA to allow our dealership to have factory limited slip for 03 used Evo and still make it a reasonable price and still have it cover under warranty. (So far work with MMNA is like climbing mount Everest NAKED)

I’m mostly looking for everyone's opinion so I can fight for everyone from the inside.

As most of you know MMNA is going through serious financial troubles. 9 Mitsubishi dealerships have closed down in California this year.

And you guys have to understand there is almost no one who works for Mitsubishi fighting for the customers. Most are just trying to survive or make as much money as they can. But if you guys have issue's about any thing let me know. I go the regional meetings, talk to district VP's about some things that would help everyone. That goes with every car not just the EVO.

This tread was to let everyone know the MR is not what it's cut out to be. So if you would rather work with a knowledgeable sales manager, (that's not going to shovel any crap you want to hear or fantasize about.) Work with me but those who would rather run out, get lied too, pay over MSRP for a car or cars that aren't really worth it, have fun?!!

But those who are looking for the right car at the right price

contact me

Joe Hill
evojoeviii@yahoo.com

 

Mistu North America is likely to file chapter 11 bankruptcy. Mitsu dealers are closing in SoCal and elsewhere faster than you can say "Bob's your uncle." Torrance Mitsu just went under, and I think Long Beach Mitsu too. EVO owners with warranty claims will be standing in line with all other unsecured creditors.

I bought my '04 EVO RS knowing that because I like the car enough to take that chance.

 

Let's make this all very, very, very simple.


With identical drivers, the straightline should be so close that it doesn't matter. Untill of course fourth gear where the MR's 6 speed will make differences between the two.

Around a track, the MR is most likely faster because of its suspension improvements.

Simple enough?

 

which is faster- Graphite gray- or weightless white?-

 

This thread has turned into the biggest crock of non-factual BS I have heard in quite some time. OK, the Bilstein shocks are tuned for refinement, not performance? Bolt in all the parts from an MR, right? $4500 tranny, est at least $1k for shocks, est $5K for BBS wheels, $500 wing, $200 VG. Don't forget your teflon coated shifter cables and 6sp knob so you can find each gear on the shifter map since 6sp's are not geared toward angle shifting or whatever BS was being spewed earlier in the thread. You would be a copycat? No you would be a ricer with missing carpet in your trunk, less sound deadening material and still no MR.

I think we should prevent anyone who hasn't driven an '03 and MR from participating in otherwise meaningful MR vs. discussions. The bench comparisions are merely non-fact based BS.

 

i think its a moot point -the diference is really too small to make a point of.

 

I think the MR and RS GSR crowd on these boards are becoming enemies. There is some resentment on part of the 03 and 04 owners and a bit of cockyness on the MR guys.

Face it, the MR is just a slight improvement over the previous 03 and 04s. Yes, improvements just like any other car maker adding new features to sell for the next model year. If there was no "MR" and just an 05 Evo with a 6 speed option, there would be less arguing. The US MR is not a true MR anyway. No metal BOV, lights, yaw, etc. It's just wise marketing. It's amazing what new colors, a new badge and 1 extra gear can do for people.

For those saying they are much more smooth than the 03, I beg you to drive a flashed 03 with full exhaust and boost control.

 

"For those saying they are much more smooth than the 03, I beg you to drive a flashed 03 with full exhaust and boost control."

they are smoother!