View Poll Results: What Should I Get?
2005 Subaru WRX STi
68
18.89%
2005 Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
292
81.11%
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Torn Between 05 STi and 05 EVO VIII GSR
You made the right decision. I had a 2004 black STI fully modded with $10,000 of go fast and suspension upgrades invested in the car and switched to a bone stock EVO MR. Don't regret it one bit. You are going to love your Evo. My STI had awesome low end torque and could smoke almost any car from a dead stop on a short strip but was a little nervous on high speed turns even with all of my suspension upgrades. Love my MR feels so much more planted and firm on the turns though I do miss some of my old STIs low end power.
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I went through this over the last month, and after driving two new evo 8s and an MR I went with the STI. I've had it 4 days and already added f&R strut ties, perrin rear sway, STI motor and tranny mounts. Handling was my real issue and I knew I could fix it. Well it is so much better already, and I can't wait till Tein Flex go in later this week. Every time I turn the key I know I bought the right car, but that said both are a good choice it just depends are you set on the evo styling?
Originally Posted by highrpm
. Handling was my real issue and I knew I could fix it.
sum it up, im a strong believer of buying a stock ride that has great handling; as long as the block is capable, power is easy as a swipe of a credit card.
I had the same problem before I bought my evo last Dec. 04. I test drove both cars as you did. I felt like the STi had a smooth 6 speed but the handling is a lot better on the EVO. The main reason that sold me on the evo is the engine, plus I wouldn't have much luck working on a boxer engine.
Originally Posted by qbbraveheart
hmmm...I have a little dilema on my hands here lol
In early spring of 05 I want to get either a STi or EVO
Ive test driven both cars...05 EVO GSR and 05 STi
I like both
however, Im leaning a bit towards an STi
Ive been reading about all the "problems" with the EVO's
mainly clutches...very few TC's and grinding trannies...but thats mainly on the 03's oh and not to mention Mitsu and its great customer service and wonderful warranty...or lack thereof
Im gonna wait until spring and see how the 05 EVO's are doing in regard to the clutch and tranny and then make my decision and then its still not a clear cut decision
like I said..void warranties and financial trouble are some main reasons Im shying away from Mitsu
anyone know anything about the 05 EVO's in regard to the clutch, tranny and TC's?
on the other hand, the STi...havent heard anything bad except for the fact that its a bit harder to extract power from the 2.5L
Reasons for wanting an STi:
Pros:
2.5L
stout 6-spd tranny
300hp(wooptiefreakindoo)
boxer sound
DCCD
Cons:
Seats suck
I need armrest extension
Power Potential
Reasons for wanting EVO:
Pros:
Handling
Power Potential
Seats
Advans
4g63...nuff said
Cons:
Clutch failures
TC Failures
Trannies grinding
Mitsu voiding warranties
Mitsu in financial trouble
so help me figure it all out
and yes I know Im on an EVO board but lets put that aside for now
so VOTE!!!..
TIA
In early spring of 05 I want to get either a STi or EVO
Ive test driven both cars...05 EVO GSR and 05 STi
I like both
however, Im leaning a bit towards an STi
Ive been reading about all the "problems" with the EVO's
mainly clutches...very few TC's and grinding trannies...but thats mainly on the 03's oh and not to mention Mitsu and its great customer service and wonderful warranty...or lack thereof
Im gonna wait until spring and see how the 05 EVO's are doing in regard to the clutch and tranny and then make my decision and then its still not a clear cut decision
like I said..void warranties and financial trouble are some main reasons Im shying away from Mitsu
anyone know anything about the 05 EVO's in regard to the clutch, tranny and TC's?
on the other hand, the STi...havent heard anything bad except for the fact that its a bit harder to extract power from the 2.5L
Reasons for wanting an STi:
Pros:
2.5L
stout 6-spd tranny
300hp(wooptiefreakindoo)
boxer sound
DCCD
Cons:
Seats suck
I need armrest extension
Power Potential
Reasons for wanting EVO:
Pros:
Handling
Power Potential
Seats
Advans
4g63...nuff said
Cons:
Clutch failures
TC Failures
Trannies grinding
Mitsu voiding warranties
Mitsu in financial trouble
so help me figure it all out
and yes I know Im on an EVO board but lets put that aside for now
so VOTE!!!..
TIA
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Originally Posted by mifesto
this is exactly the reason why i DIDNT go with the sti. Tommi Makinen said it best himself when he said subaru just doesnt give the feedback and confidence of the evo. power is easy to get. you can try to be "different" but there isn't alot you can vary between one car and another. but tuning for handling isn't so straight forward (or subaru would have perfected the sti). for the average joe or even the weekend racer, you will never be able to maximize your handling mods but you can get some quick power just by bolting on parts...
sum it up, im a strong believer of buying a stock ride that has great handling; as long as the block is capable, power is easy as a swipe of a credit card.
sum it up, im a strong believer of buying a stock ride that has great handling; as long as the block is capable, power is easy as a swipe of a credit card.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
Originally Posted by Borti
haha, the USDM STi is hardly the end all to Subaru's performance cars. The US got the worst handling sloppiest STi that is made. Not to mention we got the 'inferior' engine, in some sense. Subaru may seem 'unperfected' in the US, but overseas these cars handle much tighter.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
USDM 6spd. Aluminum shift forks instead of the JDM Steel ones also 5th and 6th have taller gearing then the JDM counter part.
The USDM STI is not the real one just the water down version that looks good on paper.
Sorry don’t want to hate on the STI but the JDM counter part is a MUCH MUCH better car then the USDM and even might be better then the EVO.
Never driven and New JDM STI so I can’t say if the EVO is better.
Eric
USDM STI
Cast pistons
No twin scroll turbo
not the same 6spd
Not the real STI IMHO
Last edited by Eric Lyublinsky; Apr 20, 2005 at 09:02 AM.
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Originally Posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Don’t forget Subaru even F’ed us on the Tranny too.
USDM 6spd. Aluminum shift forks instead of the JDM Steel ones also 5th and 6th have taller gearing then the JDM counter part.
The USDM STI is not the real one just the water down version that looks good on paper.
Sorry don’t want to hate on the STI but the JDM counter part is a MUCH MUCH better car then the USDM and even might be better then the EVO.
Never driven and New JDM STI so I can’t say if the EVO is better.
Eric
USDM STI
Cast pistons
No twin scroll turbo
not the same 6spd
Not the real STI IMHO
USDM 6spd. Aluminum shift forks instead of the JDM Steel ones also 5th and 6th have taller gearing then the JDM counter part.
The USDM STI is not the real one just the water down version that looks good on paper.
Sorry don’t want to hate on the STI but the JDM counter part is a MUCH MUCH better car then the USDM and even might be better then the EVO.
Never driven and New JDM STI so I can’t say if the EVO is better.
Eric
USDM STI
Cast pistons
No twin scroll turbo
not the same 6spd
Not the real STI IMHO
The 5th and 6th in the STi are the same ratio as the 4th and 5th in WRX.
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From: Aruba
you cannot compare the STI 2.5 engine against the EVO's 2.0 it always like that someone does something good and aother wants to make it better by making it unfair fight fair would be the lancer with a 2.5 and then we can talk but still the EVO outperforms the STI in many ways like the handling in thight corners at high speeds
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From: Portland, OR
Originally Posted by hitman_vic
you cannot compare the STI 2.5 engine against the EVO's 2.0 it always like that someone does something good and aother wants to make it better by making it unfair fight fair would be the lancer with a 2.5 and then we can talk but still the EVO outperforms the STI in many ways like the handling in thight corners at high speeds
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Originally Posted by Borti
haha, the USDM STi is hardly the end all to Subaru's performance cars. The US got the worst handling sloppiest STi that is made. Not to mention we got the 'inferior' engine, in some sense. Subaru may seem 'unperfected' in the US, but overseas these cars handle much tighter.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
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From: Mi
Originally Posted by Borti
haha, the USDM STi is hardly the end all to Subaru's performance cars. The US got the worst handling sloppiest STi that is made. Not to mention we got the 'inferior' engine, in some sense. Subaru may seem 'unperfected' in the US, but overseas these cars handle much tighter.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
I do not know what you mean by perfected. Why is your standard of perfection stop at the EVO? Their are plenty of cars that outhandle the EVO and STi (indeed for a lot more money) but neither of these cars come stock with a suspension that is completely maxed out and at its potential. The STi and EVO BOTH leave a lot on the table. The EVO handles better than the STi indeed, but it's not like the STi handles bad. Go take a ride in a new Boxter S or a GT3, then tell me what perfection is (it doesn't end their either, but close). I know, I know, those are out of the price range. What I am saying is that Subaru is capable of producing a car that handles far better than the USDM STi.
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From: Portland, OR
Originally Posted by twinevo
If you think the STi handles better than the evos in japan and Europe, you haven't seen the comparos done by Top Gear of the Euro spec STi's and Evos. Different country, same story. STi=understeer.
Last edited by Borti; Apr 21, 2005 at 11:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by Peazoo
The only car that has similar raw road feel is the Lotus Elise. The evo is very unique in its approach. How many other cars can you name that has this type of handling/feel using 17" rubber. There are none.