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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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The Buschur TBE is a great unit, but there's no proof that it makes more power than the MEgan or any other 3" pipe. It is designed to be very straight, it is PROVEN to be very light and PROVEn to always make great power, but trying to choose an exhaust based off which one makes the most power is mostly fruitless. Base it off which one fits, has a good value, is light, sounds ok to you, and looks ok to you. I always say to get the Megan first, but since it's not 100% certain that it will fit your IX, my top suggestion is Buschur. With the Buschur TBE, Forge UNOS MBC, pod+gauge, and mail-in flash, that would be like $1250. For a Megan+UNOS+Dynoflash+gauge/pod, it would be $985 with a little extra for shipping maybe (included on the Megan price from Zeus).


1) "I read on here that the IX accepted the Walbro easier than the VIII, and didn't need some of the 'kit' that's needed on the VIII" I don't know where all this crazy info is coming from - this is what is scaring me. Maybe I'm missing these strange posts somehow? The VIII doesn't need a kit either. The Walbro 255 fits right in with no extra parts and no hassle other than getting the retaining ring out, since it's about the same size as the opening. That's unrelated to the FP itself.

2) The last month or so has been full of threads talking about cams in IXs. We've had multiple tests to include a regular IX street car and a IX with stroker who both used the same exhaust cam. Regardless of testing or not, the fact that cams aren't available for the IX has been said countless times.

3) You keep saying you've read this stuff on the site, but I don't know where you're reading it or who is saying it. If I could find these inaccurate posts, I would respond and refute them. Like the fuel pump, maybe 1 in 100 people would say the JDM MR DV can only hold 21-22psi, but the vast majority of us know and state otherwise. However, don't mistake what the BOV can hold for what's safe to run on pump gas. Those are 2 completely unrelated aspects of boost. You shouldn't run more than 22psi on 93oct, and maybe even lower depending on your other mods. The stock IX DV will hold all the boost you can run on pump gas, but that doesn't mean you can run 25psi without damaging your engine...

5) I don't know why you think you'd need to live near a dyno or whatever. Al travels all over the country doing custom road tunes. A dyno is never needed, and frankly he prefers NOT to tune on a dyno - he prefers true road conditions. To answer your question, he has tuning trips to Atlanta, Raleigh, and Charleston (SC) coming up in the next 2 months. You can also just get a mail-in flash if 12.0s on pump are ok with you, but of course you won't even be racing the thing, so I don't know why I bother. I'm not sure why you think we are all out here doing 7k clutch dumps...it would be dumb to do that. Plus, that wouldn't hurt your clutch anyway, it would damage the drivetrain. You can launch right off the 5k limiter all day. If you don't ever launch, then you're not even making use of your biggest asset - AWD.
Warr, thanks again for the reply.

1. So basically, I won't need the 255 for my application at this point..... ?

2. I will continue my cam researching, that's for sure.

3. The highest psi you'd recommend for daily driving is 21? On 93 octane.....so I don't need an a/m DV.

5. Although I won't be drag racing, I do love power, and numbers. Not dyno queen numbers, but solid powerbands. If I can get a better one by having it tuned, then I will. If I can get close with a mail-in flash, then it's easier and cheaper, and the way to go.

Thanks again.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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Well, for whatever reason, no one can figure out the basic search features I guess. The very first time I tried to search for "cams IX" in the advanced search looking for topics with those words, I got 6 threads:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...archid=1994849

Then, when I did the same search with "cam ix," I got 3more, one of which is someone who tried the exhaust cam in his IX but with no noticable gains (in my opinion):

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...archid=1994877

I'm used to Southern_shift's website and searching. Teh search function does work differently here, and you honestly just opened up a lot for me. Thanks.....
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Well you could be the first person in the US with the new HKS Evo 9 cams with adjustable in cabin controller. Special order from Japan only at 1500 - $2000. If you don't mind being the guinea pig.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Well you could be the first person in the US with the new HKS Evo 9 cams with adjustable in cabin controller. Special order from Japan only at 1500 - $2000. If you don't mind being the guinea pig.
For that price they better be worth 50+whp. lol
And is it cams, or is it cam? Do you have a link (obviously just for information purposes)
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Cams (plural). Sorry I don't have a link, but you can contact HKS directly for more info.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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Cams (plural). Sorry I don't have a link, but you can contact HKS directly for more info.
No thanks. I'm about as serious about buying them as you were when you posted in this thread
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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but as I won’t be racing the IX, I’ll go with comfort…a little.

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I don't understand why you are doing so much research on performance upgrades if you will not race the car..... FWIW, some of the mods you are considering are likely to affect your driveability in a negative fashion. Some of the others will result in loss of comfort, and all of them will result in pretty good expense of perfectly good money.

From what you write, after sorting out the oxymoronic questions/statements, I'd suggest you get the IX MR and leave it alone for a while while you get an idea of what the car can do in stock form. Later, I would suggest a XEDE piggy back with custom tune which will prolly be good for a 10% power increase. If you are bound and determined to modify the hell out of your car, you'll be surely contributing to the income sources of the various tuners you'll be visiting. Oh yeah, if you choose one of the travelling tuners, you'll be at their mercy forever and you got to either wait for them to come to your area or drive forever to where they are every time you add another modification.

Oh yeah, you probably already know this based on your experience, but just in case, you really should consider an incremental path to upgrades so you can sort out the issues that will inevitably arise one at the time....

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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I don't understand why you are doing so much research on performance upgrades if you will not race the car..... FWIW, some of the mods you are considering are likely to affect your driveability in a negative fashion. Some of the others will result in loss of comfort, and all of them will result in pretty good expense of perfectly good money.

From what you write, after sorting out the oxymoronic questions/statements, I'd suggest you get the IX MR and leave it alone for a while while you get an idea of what the car can do in stock form. Later, I would suggest a XEDE piggy back with custom tune which will prolly be good for a 10% power increase. If you are bound and determined to modify the hell out of your car, you'll be surely contributing to the income sources of the various tuners you'll be visiting. Oh yeah, if you choose one of the travelling tuners, you'll be at their mercy forever and you got to either wait for them to come to your area or drive forever to where they are every time you add another modification.

Oh yeah, you probably already know this based on your experience, but just in case, you really should consider an incremental path to upgrades so you can sort out the issues that will inevitably arise one at the time....

Good luck
Okay. First of all, I have driven and raced EVO's before. Not a IX, but it couldn't be so different that I would not know what to do in one.

Just because I'm not going to be racing doesn't mean I don't want mods! I'll probably mod every car I buy until I die, no matter if I'm racing them or not.
Honestly, 90%+ of the people that drag race their EVO's don't get anything from it other than timeslips. I won't have those, but I also won't have the wear and tear of drag racing. Why would it be amiss to want the best power mods for my daily driver?

I have decided on the IX MR, for sure. I want the 6-speed gearbox and the BBS stocker rims.

I most degfinitely want to do mods in stages. If you'd notice in my original post, I mentioned that I was trying to get together a good idea on what I want to do for "stage 1" and my first flash. "WT stage 1" (warrtalon) is good, but I want a little more than that. MBC & TBE & flash &......what else?

The key point of the part of my post that you quoted is "a little" Otherwise I would have gone straight for the 280's (had I still not been advised that the IX can't use the VIII cams)


Thanks for the input!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Honestly, 90%+ of the people that drag race their EVO's don't get anything from it other than timeslips. I won't have those, but I also won't have the wear and tear of drag racing. Why would it be amiss to want the best power mods for my daily driver?
Um, do you not understand the importance of the timeslips? They show you whether or not all those mods you've added do a damn thing or not. Just adding parts, even parts known to work, does not mean your car is fast. It's hilarious seeing people who buy used Evos without having a clue how fast it's supposed to be only to find out the previous owner had an MBC that he returned to stock only to use the wrong boost lines (only OEM works), which means the new owner had been driving around at base wastegate pressure (11psi) the whole time. These people would have found out well in advance if they ever actually used the car by doing a few drag runs. You don't have to kill the car to get a few timeslips...it's just a measuring device. You don't have to compete just to get some baseline runs and see if you actually have power and actually know how to drive. Yes, you already have driven an Evo (or Evos), but you still won't know anything for sure unless you hit the track before and after. Adding power mods just to tool around on the street is pretty lame, but there's a bunch of people who do that unfortunately. It's not like you ever get to use the power nor drive the car to its handling limits.

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I most degfinitely want to do mods in stages. If you'd notice in my original post, I mentioned that I was trying to get together a good idea on what I want to do for "stage 1" and my first flash. "WT stage 1" (warrtalon) is good, but I want a little more than that. MBC & TBE & flash &......what else?
Then do WT stg2. Stage 1 is just a cheap starter kit to get new Evo owners prepared for the later power mods. Stage 2 puts you at the point where I ran 12.26 on pump gas and 12.000 on race gas. On a IX, it would equate to 12.0 on pump gas and...who knows maybe 11.7-11.8 on race gas, but no one has tried it yet.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Um, do you not understand the importance of the timeslips? They show you whether or not all those mods you've added do a damn thing or not. Just adding parts, even parts known to work, does not mean your car is fast. It's hilarious seeing people who buy used Evos without having a clue how fast it's supposed to be only to find out the previous owner had an MBC that he returned to stock only to use the wrong boost lines (only OEM works), which means the new owner had been driving around at base wastegate pressure (11psi) the whole time. These people would have found out well in advance if they ever actually used the car by doing a few drag runs. You don't have to kill the car to get a few timeslips...it's just a measuring device. You don't have to compete just to get some baseline runs and see if you actually have power and actually know how to drive. Yes, you already have driven an Evo (or Evos), but you still won't know anything for sure unless you hit the track before and after. Adding power mods just to tool around on the street is pretty lame, but there's a bunch of people who do that unfortunately. It's not like you ever get to use the power nor drive the car to its handling limits.
The guy is not interested in racing. I guess he just wants to own a high performance EVO... I guess he can get the thing dynoed and use the sheets for bragging rights...


Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Then do WT stg2. Stage 1 is just a cheap starter kit to get new Evo owners prepared for the later power mods. Stage 2 puts you at the point where I ran 12.26 on pump gas and 12.000 on race gas. On a IX, it would equate to 12.0 on pump gas and...who knows maybe 11.7-11.8 on race gas, but no one has tried it yet.
Warr, I don't want to just argue with you or carry the contrary viewpoint, but you make a lot of assumptions about cars and ppl that are just plain wrong. Your WT stg2 might work for you but it will by no means work for everyother's car in the same way. There are not that many people out there running in the 12's with the few mods you have, let alone get into the 11's. Do some reading of past threads and posts and you'll see that even the hot shot tuners of today did not get into the 12's so easily. You are obviously a hell of a driver and you have a particularly strong car. I'd be willing to bet that over 50% of EVO owners out there will be lucky to get low 13's with your WT stg2. Even if their EVOs would develop the 250+ whp (Dynodinamics) required, they probably would not be able to launch and shift well enough to achieve your results.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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Um, do you not understand the importance of the timeslips?
Yes, I understand their importance to you......and that's a lot different than their importance to me. I have had 14 different vehicles, and I have only raced two of them, and I have never gone to the drag strip with any of them. This does not mean that I couldn't find the vechcle's limits.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
They show you whether or not all those mods you've added do a damn thing or not. Just adding parts, even parts known to work, does not mean your car is fast. It's hilarious seeing people who buy used Evos without having a clue how fast it's supposed to be only to find out the previous owner had an MBC that he returned to stock only to use the wrong boost lines (only OEM works), which means the new owner had been driving around at base wastegate pressure (11psi) the whole time. These people would have found out well in advance if they ever actually used the car by doing a few drag runs. You don't have to kill the car to get a few timeslips...it's just a measuring device. You don't have to compete just to get some baseline runs and see if you actually have power and actually know how to drive. Yes, you already have driven an Evo (or Evos), but you still won't know anything for sure unless you hit the track before and after. Adding power mods just to tool around on the street is pretty lame, but there's a bunch of people who do that unfortunately. It's not like you ever get to use the power nor drive the car to its handling limits.
Well, if it will ease your mind a little, I can totally agree to meet up with you and the DC boys at a Drag Strip meet and have you race my car in the 1/4. That way, not only are we going to find it's limit in the 1/4 under your control, but it would also help you back up your mod lists, and ideas on what the IX will be able to do with said lists! I'm really serious, too.


Originally Posted by Wartalon
Then do WT stg2. Stage 1 is just a cheap starter kit to get new Evo owners prepared for the later power mods. Stage 2 puts you at the point where I ran 12.26 on pump gas and 12.000 on race gas. On a IX, it would equate to 12.0 on pump gas and...who knows maybe 11.7-11.8 on race gas, but no one has tried it yet.
Well, if you'll agree to advise me on a nice mod list of things I can buy up to install together so I can get it all included in the first flash, that would seriously be great. Let's say I have about 3k for power mods after the initial purchase of the car. Let's get the best bang for the buck, and prove once and for all to all the people that hate on your mod lists and logical progression of the stages mods should be done. I honestly like your agressive and confident attitude, that's exactly how I am when I know I'm right. I trust your knowledge and you have the timeslips to prove it. What do you say?
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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The guy is not interested in racing. I guess he just wants to own a high performance EVO... I guess he can get the thing dynoed and use the sheets for bragging rights...
This is funny, too. I have all the bragging rights that I need. I have two season championships, one of which I went undefeated, and I have been faster than the owner of every car I've ever raced in that was not my own. I know I can drive, and I know that I can drive any car. I don't need a timeslip or a dyno sheet to prove anything to me. Of course, it 's nice to compare to others with similar or different mods for argument's sake, but all everything comes down to with my car is if I like it and am satisfied with it when I drive and look at it, right?
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Please dont waste your extra 7k on bilsteins, 6spd, & an aluminum roof!!
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:59 PM
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Please dont waste your extra 7k on bilsteins, 6spd, & an aluminum roof!!
7k???? I have had the IX priced at 29,233, and the MR priced at 34,299. That's less than 5k. I'm not done searching for the best deal, either.

I like the BBS rims and the 6-speed. Are you telling me to get the standard IX, or the RS? If I was going to race the car, it would be the RS. To be honest, I would prefer to not have the ABS, but the RS is the only one not to have that. And it doesn't have a stereo. And no wing.

What I like in my daily driver, without having to purchase A/M rims, is totally included in the MR. Any convincing arguments otherwise will most definitely be considered, though. I'm listening.....
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Warr, I don't want to just argue with you or carry the contrary viewpoint, but you make a lot of assumptions about cars and ppl that are just plain wrong. Your WT stg2 might work for you but it will by no means work for everyother's car in the same way. There are not that many people out there running in the 12's with the few mods you have, let alone get into the 11's. Do some reading of past threads and posts and you'll see that even the hot shot tuners of today did not get into the 12's so easily. You are obviously a hell of a driver and you have a particularly strong car. I'd be willing to bet that over 50% of EVO owners out there will be lucky to get low 13's with your WT stg2. Even if their EVOs would develop the 250+ whp (Dynodinamics) required, they probably would not be able to launch and shift well enough to achieve your results.
Quite the opposite. I don't ever assume that anyone else can run the same times I do. I just let them know that the Evo is CAPABLE of running those times with those mods. My car isn't especially strong. It didn't run any FASTER (mph) than any other 05 when stock or after adding each progression of mods. It's certainly not weak, but it's not overly fast either. So, to reiterate, I don't tell people their car will run 12.2s with my WT2 mods; I just let them know the best possible scenario with good driving.

It would take some terrible driving to not hit 12s with these mods. I don't know any tuners who have trouble getting into 12s, so I'm not sure what you were referring to, but I do realize that some newbies who choose not to launch or simply don't know how to drive are unable to hit 12s with 300whp (Dynojet).
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