New IX . Please Correct me if I'm wrong
Originally Posted by lowbdgtmechanic
They said Vishnu is kinda expensive,? i dont know much about WORKS yet i have to some research about them. but if somebody could tell me the difference or which is better, i'd really appreciate it. 
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Originally Posted by threepointsix
Dont mail off your ecu if you live in the BA!
You live in norcal you need to stop by WORKS and get the latest maps done on site. They like alot of tuners are getting 300 to the wheels easily on the IX's. Works gets it done with a flash & TB exhaust that is quiet! They charge nothing to reflash as you mod even if you have to mail it in.
They are off the 101 and Ceasar Chavez exit, regards
You live in norcal you need to stop by WORKS and get the latest maps done on site. They like alot of tuners are getting 300 to the wheels easily on the IX's. Works gets it done with a flash & TB exhaust that is quiet! They charge nothing to reflash as you mod even if you have to mail it in.
They are off the 101 and Ceasar Chavez exit, regards
works all the way. Great customer service and if you get their stealth muffler you wont get hasseled by cops.
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Originally Posted by thetox
Vishnu may be expensive but they are nothing but quality people, parts and service. Shiv put a base flash on a bone stock IX running 91 octane and made 270awhp on a Dyno dynamics...thats without any custom tuning mind you... I am getting tuned by him in GA at dyno4mance and am expecting to be closer to 280awhp on dyno dynamics. I havent seen any numbers like that from any other company on a bone stock car....
doesnt stock IX already runs with 286?
Here some info about Works' flash. As stated before the guys at the shop are very friendly and helpful and alot of their mods are offered at 
dealerships all over the country. Plus I would rather trust a local company like Works or Vishnu rather then a mail in.
http://www.worksevo.com/article2.php
dealerships all over the country. Plus I would rather trust a local company like Works or Vishnu rather then a mail in.http://www.worksevo.com/article2.php
lowbdgtmechanic,
That 286hp is the claimed power to the flywheel and not the actual wheel horsepower. The power that the engine creates is then reduced due to drivetrain loss of the AWD system or any drivetrain for that matter. Some dynos read higher(dynojet) and some read lower numbers(mustang and dyno dynamics). The factory never tells you what the car will make to the wheels but what they tell you is the power the motor will make.
And just for reference here is the thread I was talking about. Originally I thought the car made 265 hp but when I was talking to Shiv at Turbotrix he told me it was 270.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=195514
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That 286hp is the claimed power to the flywheel and not the actual wheel horsepower. The power that the engine creates is then reduced due to drivetrain loss of the AWD system or any drivetrain for that matter. Some dynos read higher(dynojet) and some read lower numbers(mustang and dyno dynamics). The factory never tells you what the car will make to the wheels but what they tell you is the power the motor will make.
And just for reference here is the thread I was talking about. Originally I thought the car made 265 hp but when I was talking to Shiv at Turbotrix he told me it was 270.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=195514
-Adam
Last edited by thetox; May 9, 2006 at 01:22 PM.
Originally Posted by lowbdgtmechanic
I always see this but never understood...you said "Shiv put a base flash on a bone stock IX running 91 octane and made 270awhp on a Dyno dynamics".
doesnt stock IX already runs with 286?
doesnt stock IX already runs with 286?
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Originally Posted by thetox
lowbdgtmechanic,
That 286hp is the claimed power to the flywheel and not the actual wheel horsepower. The power that the engine creates is then reduced due to drivetrain loss of the AWD system or any drivetrain for that matter. Some dynos read higher(dynojet) and some read lower numbers(mustang and dyno dynamics). The factory never tells you what the car will make to the wheels but what they tell you is the power the motor will make.
And just for reference here is the thread I was talking about. Originally I thought the car made 265 hp but when I was talking to Shiv at Turbotrix he told me it was 270.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=195514
-Adam
That 286hp is the claimed power to the flywheel and not the actual wheel horsepower. The power that the engine creates is then reduced due to drivetrain loss of the AWD system or any drivetrain for that matter. Some dynos read higher(dynojet) and some read lower numbers(mustang and dyno dynamics). The factory never tells you what the car will make to the wheels but what they tell you is the power the motor will make.
And just for reference here is the thread I was talking about. Originally I thought the car made 265 hp but when I was talking to Shiv at Turbotrix he told me it was 270.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=195514
-Adam
thanks for telling me, i should dyno it and see how much power it makes on wheels.
Can't get much cheaper than my package. YOu get a great exhaust, top-notch MBC, and a great flash. This package is very cheap and the price includes shipping. With the BASE FLASH that is included, people are going low 12s. A great driver could pull an 11.9. Most-Wanted has done 11.63s with basically the same stuff plus IC piping, but he added a custom flash. Before, on his base flash, he did 12.0s easily even with the stock rev limiter holding him back.
Vishnu and Works definitely provide good service, tuning, and parts, but it will be much more expensive. It's all up to your preference. Btw, for the person who said subsequent Works flashes are free, that's only true if you buy your future upgraded parts from them, and their parts are extremely expensive.
Vishnu and Works definitely provide good service, tuning, and parts, but it will be much more expensive. It's all up to your preference. Btw, for the person who said subsequent Works flashes are free, that's only true if you buy your future upgraded parts from them, and their parts are extremely expensive.
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A stock EVO IX makes 230-235whp on an AWD DD dyno. With just our baseline reflash, they have been proven to make 270-275whp. On an AWD Dynojet, which reads higher, the numbers change to ~260whp stock to ~305whp with the flash. As always, custom dyno tuning is always a good idea as it will improve power as well as broaden the torque curve. We do that, in house, as well. Do it right. Do it once. And enjoy your car. And if you live and drive your car in CA, use a tuner who is familiar with our 91oct gas. I've seen so many baseline reflashes from tuners based out of other states and they are compromised to say the least. I think the other CA dyno shops in our area (Gruppe-S, Full Function, etc,.) would agree.
And stay away from MBCs if you have the choice. Using one competely eliminates much of the functionality of the ECU with respect to its ability to drop boost if conditions take a turn for the worst. Of course, other people's mileage may vary. You'll get a lot of conflicting info on this, or any, internet forum. Do your research carefully... it's your $30k+ investment. Those will the highest post count aren't always the best source of information
Cheers,
Shiv, on sean's computer.
And stay away from MBCs if you have the choice. Using one competely eliminates much of the functionality of the ECU with respect to its ability to drop boost if conditions take a turn for the worst. Of course, other people's mileage may vary. You'll get a lot of conflicting info on this, or any, internet forum. Do your research carefully... it's your $30k+ investment. Those will the highest post count aren't always the best source of information
Cheers,
Shiv, on sean's computer.
Last edited by Sean@Vishnu; May 9, 2006 at 01:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by Sean@Vishnu
A stock EVO IX makes 230-235whp on an AWD DD dyno. With just our baseline reflash, they have been proven to make 270-275whp. On an AWD Dynojet, which reads higher, the numbers change to ~260whp stock to ~305whp with the flash. As always, custom dyno tuning is always a good idea as it will improve power as well as broaden the torque curve. We do that, in house, as well. Do it right. Do it once. And enjoy your car. And if you live and drive your car in CA, use a tuner who is familiar with our 91oct gas. I've seen so many baseline reflashes from tuners based out of other states and they are compromised to say the least. I think the other CA dyno shops in our area (Gruppe-S, Full Function, etc,.) would agree.
And stay away from MBCs if you have the choice. Using one competely eliminates much of the functionality of the ECU with respect to its ability to drop boost if conditions take a turn for the worst. Of course, other people's mileage may vary.
Cheers,
Shiv, on sean's computer.
And stay away from MBCs if you have the choice. Using one competely eliminates much of the functionality of the ECU with respect to its ability to drop boost if conditions take a turn for the worst. Of course, other people's mileage may vary.
Cheers,
Shiv, on sean's computer.
just like warrtalon said get a top-notch MBC. now youre saying not to...
this really confuses me...for one thing, im new to this.
10hp at the wheels on a dyno dyamics is what a Greddy Ti cat back + Tanabe DP + Works HFC generated when I was at Vishnu over stock. The guys at Vishnu have seen this day in day out on IX's.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=173129
Its important to post your dyno of choice when throwing out 'but my IX put 30hp with just a cat back'. Frankly I have yet to see this happen untuned on any IX on any dyno with any exhaust coupled with a HFC.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=173129
Its important to post your dyno of choice when throwing out 'but my IX put 30hp with just a cat back'. Frankly I have yet to see this happen untuned on any IX on any dyno with any exhaust coupled with a HFC.
Last edited by res04; May 9, 2006 at 01:57 PM.
Originally Posted by res04
10hp at the wheels on a dyno dyamics is what a Greddy Ti cat back + Tanabe DP + Works FHC generated when I was at Vishnu over stock. The guys at Vishnu have seen this day in day out on IX's.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=173129
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=173129
Mine probably put 20-30 more whp down w/o tune. It was a dynojet at pro-motion tuning in fredricksburg, va.
Originally Posted by res04
Its important to post your dyno of choice when throwing out 'but my IX put 30hp with just a cat back'. Frankly I have yet to see this happen untuned on any IX on any dyno with any exhaust coupled with a HFC.
I was at 270/272 after getting flashed, putting on a mbc and my catback yielded 328/305 on the same dyno. The mbc is spiking at 21-22psi and holding to 18-19. I really don't think the mbc gave all sixty peak hp.