Which wideband o2 should I get?
Not a realistic concern. If you break off a probe, whatever object that snapped it off is a much larger concern than the probe itself.
A probe in a downpipe is like running a tailpipe clamp with a catalytic converter, just not accurate enough to really get tuned correctly.
Furthermore a specific cylinder has been the "lean" cylinder for 16 years in the 4g63 and you want the reading from that runner and not a mix of all 4.
A probe in a downpipe is like running a tailpipe clamp with a catalytic converter, just not accurate enough to really get tuned correctly.
Furthermore a specific cylinder has been the "lean" cylinder for 16 years in the 4g63 and you want the reading from that runner and not a mix of all 4.
Originally Posted by Spec'd
I still might install the EGT in the test pipe or HFC right after the down pipe.
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Originally Posted by ZEITRONIX
Exhaust Gas Temperature Probe
Low mass, fast responsive EGT Probe.
You can use some other slow EGT probe but will it tell you the EGTs are raising before you melt the engine parts?
Includes 8' EGT probe extension harness to the Zt-2. 1/8 NPT thread.
Please note special K grade thermocouple extension wire is used.
Low mass, fast responsive EGT Probe.
You can use some other slow EGT probe but will it tell you the EGTs are raising before you melt the engine parts?
Includes 8' EGT probe extension harness to the Zt-2. 1/8 NPT thread.
Please note special K grade thermocouple extension wire is used.
Last edited by TTP Engineering; Jul 8, 2006 at 04:48 PM.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Not a realistic concern. If you break off a probe, whatever object that snapped it off is a much larger concern than the probe itself.
A probe in a downpipe is like running a tailpipe clamp with a catalytic converter, just not accurate enough to really get tuned correctly.
Furthermore a specific cylinder has been the "lean" cylinder for 16 years in the 4g63 and you want the reading from that runner and not a mix of all 4.
A probe in a downpipe is like running a tailpipe clamp with a catalytic converter, just not accurate enough to really get tuned correctly.
Furthermore a specific cylinder has been the "lean" cylinder for 16 years in the 4g63 and you want the reading from that runner and not a mix of all 4.
Is it possible for it to get hot and break off on it's own over a period of time ?
I think I agree with not putting in it the d/p or t/p, might as well not even install it.
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
Is it possible for it to get hot and break off on it's own over a period of time ?
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To contrast, many users will never exceed 880*C.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
I have used it to 1060*C with no failures. (1940*F)
To contrast, many users will never exceed 880*C.
To contrast, many users will never exceed 880*C.
I'm convinced, looks like I'll be putting the EGT on the exhaust mainfold
coming out of #1.
Now if can just get an extension field harness.
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
I'm convinced, looks like I'll be putting the EGT on the exhaust mainfold
coming out of #1.
Now if can just get an extension field harness.
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coming out of #1.
Now if can just get an extension field harness.
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Picked up a Zeitronix unit from TTP. Best investment I have ever made besides the initial Evo purchase. I have used Innovate LM1 and LC1 and XD-16. I sold all of that junk to get the Zeitronix. It runs circles around those units and has peak/hold EGT, AFR, Boost and Lambda on the LCD screen. +1 for Zeitronix 
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
I would use #2 personally for your ZEITRONIX EGT probe...
I thought #1 was the lean combustion chamber.
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
Thankyou for the information, but why ?
I thought #1 was the lean combustion chamber.
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I thought #1 was the lean combustion chamber.
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Run some searches. #2 more often than any cylinder has been used for EGT. This has always been the case. #2 then #4 IMO are the order I would put lean cylinders in.
Got it thanks...
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Here are my two cents on the subject. From reading about the Z unit and using the innovate unit here are the good and the bad:
1. The innovate can log w/o a lap top. I am talking about the LM-1 and not the LC-1. I do not know if the LC-1 can log w/o a lap top. Please tell me if it can. The Z unit needs a lap top or a PDA to make it log. This is one of the main things that made me keep my LM-1 and not get the Z unit. I like to log whenever I see open on ramp or road ahead of me and I do not want to carry a lap top all the time to do that.
We already went though this, if you have a good tune you dont have to log everyday.
The LM-1 can also be hooked up to a lap top and delivers live data via a six gauge display on Logworks.
2. The Z unit has a much higher display rate than the LM-1, but both have similar internal sample rates from what I read.
But if it cant display the faster sampling rate the why does it matter
3. The Z unit can only use the Bosch sensor. The LM-1 can use the Bosch and the NTK. The Bosch unit is a good unit, but I read that the NTK is far better.
4. The Z unit can only use the AEM 3.5 bar MAP sensor. With the LM-1 you can use any MAP sensor you want as long as you calibrate it (see me sig on how to do that). It is improtant to have more than one option on the MAP sensors becuase if you have a car that is boosting 14 psi and you use a 3.5 bar, then the sensor is not as effective as a 2 bar sensor.
5. The Z unit is cheaper than the LM-1.
6. The LM-1 has wom the Sema award, the Z unit did not.
7. The software on the LM-1, Logworks, blows away the software of the Z unit. Search under my name and you can see the charts/tables that I have posted from the LM-1. It is really really good.
8. There are way more add ons to the LM-1 than to the Z unit. I recently added the XD-16 and I am amazed by it. You can configure the XD-16 to measure many differen parameters. I set mine to measure boost with peak hold at 21.5 psi and warning if the AFR goes above 12 and boost goes above 22 at the same time. The nice thing about the XD-16 is that I can trigger the LM-1 to record from it. So now I have the LM-1 removed to the tunnel in the back between the rear passangers.
The ZT2 has feature like this, the display has a peak feature, and there is also a programable warning device available that can be used to warn you on many things; over boost, too lean, too rich, etc.
I have also added the the AFR analog display which can be made to light maber just like the dash on the EVO.
9. The Mustang Dyno uses the Innovate LM-1 to read the AFR. I figure if it is good enough for the Mustang Dyno, it is good enough for me.
10. Ecuflash says that they are in the process of integrating the Innovate into their software. I do not know the details or if it is going to happen. If this happens that will make the innovate "plug and play" wit the Ecuflash.
ZT2 is already incorpatred into the ECUScan software, the ECUFlash loggin program
11. Customer support is much better with the Innovate. The Z makers can only be reached by e-mail and they respond fairly quickly. The innovate people can be reached by phone, e-mail and on the Innovate forums. I have used the Innovate forums and they are fantastic. The person who runs the forums is Klaus Almendinger, Innovate VP of engineering. This guy is so knowledgeable, witty, and respectful. I talked to him in person and we had a 20 min conversation where he explained to me the issue of blown sparks.
1. The innovate can log w/o a lap top. I am talking about the LM-1 and not the LC-1. I do not know if the LC-1 can log w/o a lap top. Please tell me if it can. The Z unit needs a lap top or a PDA to make it log. This is one of the main things that made me keep my LM-1 and not get the Z unit. I like to log whenever I see open on ramp or road ahead of me and I do not want to carry a lap top all the time to do that.
We already went though this, if you have a good tune you dont have to log everyday.
The LM-1 can also be hooked up to a lap top and delivers live data via a six gauge display on Logworks.
2. The Z unit has a much higher display rate than the LM-1, but both have similar internal sample rates from what I read.
But if it cant display the faster sampling rate the why does it matter
3. The Z unit can only use the Bosch sensor. The LM-1 can use the Bosch and the NTK. The Bosch unit is a good unit, but I read that the NTK is far better.
4. The Z unit can only use the AEM 3.5 bar MAP sensor. With the LM-1 you can use any MAP sensor you want as long as you calibrate it (see me sig on how to do that). It is improtant to have more than one option on the MAP sensors becuase if you have a car that is boosting 14 psi and you use a 3.5 bar, then the sensor is not as effective as a 2 bar sensor.
5. The Z unit is cheaper than the LM-1.
6. The LM-1 has wom the Sema award, the Z unit did not.
7. The software on the LM-1, Logworks, blows away the software of the Z unit. Search under my name and you can see the charts/tables that I have posted from the LM-1. It is really really good.
8. There are way more add ons to the LM-1 than to the Z unit. I recently added the XD-16 and I am amazed by it. You can configure the XD-16 to measure many differen parameters. I set mine to measure boost with peak hold at 21.5 psi and warning if the AFR goes above 12 and boost goes above 22 at the same time. The nice thing about the XD-16 is that I can trigger the LM-1 to record from it. So now I have the LM-1 removed to the tunnel in the back between the rear passangers.
The ZT2 has feature like this, the display has a peak feature, and there is also a programable warning device available that can be used to warn you on many things; over boost, too lean, too rich, etc.
I have also added the the AFR analog display which can be made to light maber just like the dash on the EVO.
9. The Mustang Dyno uses the Innovate LM-1 to read the AFR. I figure if it is good enough for the Mustang Dyno, it is good enough for me.
10. Ecuflash says that they are in the process of integrating the Innovate into their software. I do not know the details or if it is going to happen. If this happens that will make the innovate "plug and play" wit the Ecuflash.
ZT2 is already incorpatred into the ECUScan software, the ECUFlash loggin program
11. Customer support is much better with the Innovate. The Z makers can only be reached by e-mail and they respond fairly quickly. The innovate people can be reached by phone, e-mail and on the Innovate forums. I have used the Innovate forums and they are fantastic. The person who runs the forums is Klaus Almendinger, Innovate VP of engineering. This guy is so knowledgeable, witty, and respectful. I talked to him in person and we had a 20 min conversation where he explained to me the issue of blown sparks.
Last edited by Evo_Jay; Jul 9, 2006 at 05:45 PM.
I had the innovate wideband before and was impressed with it although it was rather large. You can now get the whole unit into the size of a gauge for a more expensive price tag but well worth it IMO since the cheaper one is pretty massive.
Evo_Kid,
So you basically agree with most of what I said. I will comment on your points.
1. It is really nice not to need a lap top to log. That is what the LM-1 does. It logs with or w/o a lap top or pda. I started using 93 octane gas and wanted a map. So I got a map from Shiv's site, but it was too lean to my taste. So I modified it with the help of the LM-1. I am not done yet, but I have had to do logging on and off. It is not always that you can find an open stretch of road so you can log. So I have to log whenever I get a chance. Not having to carry a lap top mkes it that much easier. check out the thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=210281 and check out the charts that Log Works has to offer. It blows away the software that the Z unit uses.
2. Check out the many add-ons that Innovate has. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTS.php They have products in the pipeline that will blow away the Z unit. The TC-4, for example, will allow you to have four or more EGTs to accurately measure EGTs from all cylinders.
So you basically agree with most of what I said. I will comment on your points.
1. It is really nice not to need a lap top to log. That is what the LM-1 does. It logs with or w/o a lap top or pda. I started using 93 octane gas and wanted a map. So I got a map from Shiv's site, but it was too lean to my taste. So I modified it with the help of the LM-1. I am not done yet, but I have had to do logging on and off. It is not always that you can find an open stretch of road so you can log. So I have to log whenever I get a chance. Not having to carry a lap top mkes it that much easier. check out the thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=210281 and check out the charts that Log Works has to offer. It blows away the software that the Z unit uses.
2. Check out the many add-ons that Innovate has. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTS.php They have products in the pipeline that will blow away the Z unit. The TC-4, for example, will allow you to have four or more EGTs to accurately measure EGTs from all cylinders.