Bwahahagahagahagah

 

Your missing the point. Like I said before, we actually prefer flashes. They are much more powerful. But some people prefer the Super AFC and some people prefer flashes. We can do both so I don't know where your getting the that's business phrase from. If you knew anything about the retail industry, the profit from selling Super AFCs isn't that grand.

We're all about the customer and we don't steer anyone in any direction like your doing. No one has the right to tell someone what to do. That's just poor edicate.
Everytime a customer comes in we tell them what their options are. If they want the Super AFC, we cater to them. If they want a flash we cater to them. Our 10 years in the game ,our returning customers, our top of the line facilities and dynapack, and everything else that we've earned are a testiment to that.
But then again, what would someone on the outside know anything about the inside?

Not everyone has the knowledge to do their own flash. It's not as easy as plugging in a cable, uploading and calling it a day. Each car reacts differently along with their level of modification.

Who gets 360 with a TBE and Flash on our dynapack? We've done several vishnu and dynoflash'd cars and they make no where near that mark. The highest out of the 7 cars that we've had with a custom flashes was 330whp. The mail ins hit 303 and 310 and usually run very rich up top. Mail in 8s hit 270ish. Like I said before, they baseline around 260. 360 would be a 100whp improvement. If you believe that you can gain 100whp with a flash and TBE, that's great.

Like I said before, its your own personal preference. And if you think flashing is something that everyone can do, just visit the flashing forums. You make a minor mistake and you can lose your whole investment. Do you personally know how to tune the Mivec? You don't even have Mivec and you act like anyone can tune it.

And what is so bad splicing your wires? Warentee issues? And you think the dealers can't tell that you have flashed your car? We work with Mountain Mitsubishi all the time, and trust me, they know when the ECU's been flashed. Our own OBD/ Diagnostics Tool can even tell. (It's also a 5k machine )


@RnR
I'm sure you've had customers that prefer the simplicity of the SAFC to flashing their ECU. And since your on the inside, I'm sure you understand.

 

Ya, we have a lot of customer coming in here requesting the S-AFC. They like the simplicity and the fact they can make changes on the fly or whatever.

 

Any customer who thinks that about the safc is just not educated about flashing and doesnt realize what theyre missing.

Axiom, you may fully explain the options to people, but anyone with half a brain would choose a flash over an safc for the ir 9 if you gave the facts. It doesnt sound like RNR is doing that at all. Oh, and yes, it IS as easy as plugging in the cable and pushing a button. No one said these people had to tune the ecuflash themselves. E-flashes are only $50, and EvoScan is only $15 but requires the same cable. These safc customers of yours are hacking their wires (funny you dont see that as a problem when every 8 owner used a patch harness - guess people just bought the harness for the fun of it eh?), having to buy a wideband, and having to get some logging device, all of which costs much more for much less....MUCH LESS.

 

You can also flash back to stock in seconds...or flash to your race gas tune in seconds...or to any tune in seconds.

 

Warr, your arguement was originally that the S-AFC didn't work on the 9. I asked what experience you had because you have never done one before to see what results were possible. Instead you just said they didn't work.

Now it's about price. Please make up your mind. Different strokes for different folks. Don't think for a second we don't have flashs done on customers car because it's not true. We recommend whats best for the customers situation, price, goals, etc.

 

I never said they didnt work. I said there is no ecu harness, and it cant manipulate the mivec. The other inferiorities were already known from the 8. its even less useful on the 9, and you still have shown no dynographs or timeslips. The flash is always better...always.

Here's a refresher: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...29&postcount=4

 

Why would I need to show you dyno graphs? Plus the cars are street tuned unless we take them to LA for TT.

 

Because you claim you make as much power as flashed 9s without any empirical evidence. I'm street tuned, but I still have many dynographs as evidence for my claims just like hundreds of other Dynoflash customers.

 

We have probably installed 100 or so S-AFC over the last couple years. I could probably say at the most we have had 5 take us up on the offer to buy a patch harness you talk so highly about.

 

Wow, considering Ive never seen an evo with an safc and no harness, that would mean youre not telling your customers they need it, or they just arent too bright. ~100 evos relying on safc's directly spliced to the ECU makes me cringe. That is very sad...poor guys.

 

Re-read what I said. They didn't take us up on the offer of using them. I have 3 of them that have been sitting here for 6 months.

I don't need any dynographs just to prove a point to you. What do I have to prove you, nothing. Your sponsors do flashs and thats what you like. I like the S-AFC and the flash for all different reasons. Different things work best for different people. You will never understand this and I don't have all day to waste as this will go on and on forever. We have about (8) EVO's to finish up in the next week so talk to you later.

 

I myself use flash along with safc, work nicely. I can switch between race gas and pump and the fly, and that's is the beauty of it.


here we go again, so it begins

SAFC vs FLASH ROUND 1000000++++++

 

I did read what you said - I don't believe you explain to them the need for the harness. If you say this, then you're fine:

"You don't want to splice into the ECU wires of your 30k Evo, so you should probably get the patch harness. Then, the SAFC is plug n play with the ECU without touching the stock wiring. Also, since the SAFC is only able to manipulate the MAF signal, which changes the AFRs, but has no control over timing, idle speed, MIVEC, rev limit, fuel cut, launch control, or anything else in the vast array of ECU parameters, it's probably not worth it to damage your stock wiring. Oh, you don't care if you make less power with no features whatsoever while splicing into your wires directly? Ok, cool, here, let's road tune it then."

Sounds like a deal to me...

Yeah, nothing to prove to me. Just make claims with no proof - nice job.

 

Warrtalon hey marines you need come the F down, seriously before i give an NJP.