you really can't use these numbers for a police interceptor simply because of all the added weight that cop cars have...i.e laptops, deviders between the front and back seats, junk in the trunk etc etc...plus cops won't top out a car in a high speed chase because they are endangering inocent people...

 

That's true, but the STi (police in colorado the other guy mentioned) would also have the same equipment (and would be a larger increase % wise in weight). so being comparable for a more economical police car you can use those stats.

as for police chase the extra weight i believe is close to 200lbs in equipment fully loaded down on the average police interceptors for the old 9c1 Lt1 Caprice Classics. so I can't imagine that the equipment would be any heavier now, more than not - lighter. i can't see 200lbs slowing down a 5.7L by .5sec to make it even.

cops don't need to top their cars out... cops use radios. they have (in most eastern states and some mid-west) 24 hours to locate a street drag racer and issue the ticket. they send out calls to agencies in the area to spot them and pull them over... at which point the trooper who had seen them original drives to that location while the other car is inspecting the car and taking his time with a misdemeanor ticket...

my dad and cousin are/were state troopers in their younger years and knew a ton of tricks to get people for all sorts of stuff - give them more credit than what the stereotypical idea of a cop gets.

 

well im thinking that cops have more equipment now then they did before...like the laptops etc...plus i'm just used to cary and raleigh cops....they bring shame to the occupation of police.

 

yea i can see that... it's hard to guess because we don't have statistics for weight prior to and after modification of several police cars in several areas from different years.

I think cops on college campuses are probably the wrost. I was having a beer on my porch, i'm of age unlike 75% of SRT-4 owners... he came up took the cup out of my hand and demanded an ID... i mouthed off a little to him after giving him my ID and asked him to buy me another beer for the one he took from me and poured out. he felt threatened because my roomates came out of the house onto the porch and just stared at him... to make a long story short i got maced for nothing more than enjoying a beer. i hate some cops... but it's like every occupation - you have jerks, nice guys, lazy, and over active.


fyi all the police cars shown are english. Some english police cars have the hood crest of the queen's seal and the bottom pic has a GB plate (ireland has IRL)... but no irish police cars have the seal they just have the same colors. wierd huh

 

haha that and the black and white checkers from back in the day....

thats a funny story though...getting maced by a college cop lol...did he arrest you or just mace you like a sorostitute getting raped by fratty mactastic? I do agree though, college cops are the worst.

 

No offense taken, bro. Last weekend I just watched an LS2 GTO with an exhaust (nothing else) turn in a 12.70 @ 110 mph. That's a bit faster than an SRT-8.

True, the Charger has a lot of room in it, and you're right, 0.89g on the skidpad is awesome for a 4200 lb car and there's no denying it, especially since STis and Evos hit the skidpad at 0.90g-0.92g on average.

As for the basic Hemi cars hitting 5-60 mph faster than an STi or an Evo, how much torque are they making, because I find it questionable that a car that weighs 4000 lbs and has 340 hp is going to beat a car that is nearly 800-900 lbs lighter and is only short 40 hp.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to rationalize here how it could happen with such a poor power/weight ratio.....

 

and not to forget that the STi's torque sits right at 300 too...

 

When my STi was vandalized a few months ago, my wife and I ended up talking to the cop outside for like an hour after he was done filling out his report. Since I own a B4C Camaro (police package) I mentioned it to him, and we started talking about cop cars. Whether he knew what he was talking about or not, I can't comment on, but he said on average that the amount of equipment that they carry (light bars, bumper "rams," safety equipment, and additional electronics not only make for a higher center of gravity and slow aerodynamically slow them down, but it also adds around an extra 300-400 lbs of extra weight to the vehicle.

 

True. The STi is a pretty torquey machine in its own right, but I rode in Cletus323's MR IX last night and it hit pretty hard on a 1st-2nd shift. It most definitely had more low-end than some of the VIIIs I've been in. It was very quick. Maybe it's because I wasn't expecting him to mash the gas and it caught me by surprise, or it was just a pretty quick car; a little of both, I'd guess. I just can't see a basic Hemi Charger being faster than one of these things.....

 

yeah its wierd, but my IX MR feels faster and quicker than my 2005 STi

 

Yep, same here, and I have an ECU tune done to the STi also. Maybe it just felt much faster from the passenger-seat, but who knows.

There's only one way to settle it once and for all.

Cletus323, you, my friend, are being called out.

Winner buys drinks.

 

the first STi i rode in before i bought mine had a turbo-back exhaust and a ecu flash and he kept me pinned in the passenger seat, every time i tried to reach forward to pick up the sun glasses that fell on the floor i couldn't...best feeling in a car ever...then i bought my own STi and kept it all stock but it was still tons of fun....and now i moved onto the MR which also seems to have the same effect.

 

rwd > awd from a roll for performance/acceleration. i can't stress that enough that comparable cars with same weight and hp that rwd > fwd > awd from a rolling start ( classified as in gear )... didn't you ever wonder why a stock SRT-4 could pull EVO VIIIs from a 55mph roll?

I don't mean to be a dick but i've seen low 12s EVOs and STis on the street beaten by high 12s/low 13s SRT-4s... SRT-4s suck from a dig because of traction but are amazingly fast from a roll. rwd has more potential that fwd from a dig and more potential from a roll as the weight distribution heads to the rear as speed increases.

don't believe me? head over to caranddriver.com and check their 5-60mph stats.

SRT-4 5.7sec 5-60
EVO IX 6.4sec 5-60
EVO VIII MR 6.4sec 5-60
05 STi 6.3sec 5-60

 

Actually, to repeat your statment, "not to be a dick," but I've actually never quite cared enough to notice SRTs pulling on Evos. They're Neons. At the end of the day they're still Neons, regardless of how fast (or slow) they are.

Sure, RWD doesn't suck up as much power through the drivetrain, and that's clearly where the advantage is, but RWD or not, I can't see some big, heavy car out-accelerating a car with such a weight advantage, AWD or otherwise.....

 

as for the rwd / awd - you don't have a background in physics or mechanical engineering do you? don't take my word for it... check the automobile magazines... they explain it quite well... even for the not so smart people .

don't get me wrong I am an SRT guy and die hard DCX fan but i feel their direction with the SRT-4 is completely wrong. BUT I am not your 18 year old punk *** driving piece of **** in an SRT-4 who weaves through traffic, accelerates and then lets go to just hear the BOV, and refuses to call it a neon because it says SRT-4 on the back.

an STi is still an impreza at the end of the day.

an EVO is still a lancer at the end of the day.

an SRT-4 is still a neon at the end of the day.

anyone who says otherwise is a complete moron and should have their achilles cut to prevent them from driving.

does that mean they are not excellent performing compact sports sedans? no. I've run into half and half with STi and EVO drivers - some are cool and recognize the ability of others car and the other half are like 90% of the SRT-4 owners - they think their car is the **** and nothing else is good enough for them except something more expensive.